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[Hoosier DaDa 2,121]

8 hours ago, IU_FanClub said:

We can get rid of him without the fanbase treating him like **** is what I’m trying to say

I agree with you about treating him like shite but if the administration keeps him here to long...What do you expect?

[8bucks 6,345]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Since we're in the rant thread...

I haven't seen a ton here using this rationale, but I just saw Crimson Quarry make a sarcastic tweet about needing "just one more" coaching hire til we find "The Guy." Some talking about being exhausted of the coaching carousel madness. 

Uhhhh... we've had 2 coaches in the last 7 years? The guy before them was here for 9 years? 

It's pretty wild to imagine how different things would be if we never hired Archie and just kept Crean another year or two... or hired Woody when we hired Archie. 

To be abundantly clear.... I understand not being ready to move on from Woody just quite yet (I personally don't like where I see things headed but willing to let things play out before I am beating down the door calling for his job)... I just don't understand being tired of "all" the coaching hires as reasoning? We've made 2 hires in 7 years lol. 

Assuming we don't make the tournament, the only way I'm remotely excited for next year is if we return Mgbako, land Queen, and find 3 quality guards in the portal/spring decommits, etc. It's tough though because you'd really like to see some positive momentum heading into the offseason and without the tournament, the best bet of that is an announcement from Mack or Ware they're returning. 

I personally see little to no chance of Ware coming back and think odds of Mack returning are less than 50/50. 

So if the season flames out and we've got little to no momentum in terms of building next year's roster, you'd really hope Woody can see things for what they are and ride off into the sunset with a big payday. Not sure how likely or not that is, doubt anyone really does. 

Of course I will hope that the team turns things around this season and we have a great year. I don't think the odds are particularly high but I can't influence these decisions so I'm just going to root like hell for the best case scenario no matter what. 

Looking forward to all the rumors toward the end of this year about what someone's neighbor's best friend's dog who goes to the same dog park as Kenya Hunter's wife heard the other day about what Woody wants to do lol

The tiredness comes not just from the day we fire a coach but also from the 2 - 3 years of turbulence before we fire that coach.  Over the last 20 + years it seems we have been more in doubt that we are going in the right direction vs being convinced we are.

[IU_FanClub 1,643]

8 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I agree with you about treating him like shite but if the administration keeps him here to long...What do you expect?

I would hope that the fanbase can act like adults and at the very least try not to make total ***** of ourselves publicly and respect Woody and the team enough to not turn home games into a toxic environment

[Home Jersey 6,533]

Just now, 8bucks said:

The tiredness comes not just from the day we fire a coach but also from the 2 - 3 years of turbulence before we fire that coach.  Over the last 20 + years it seems we have been more in doubt that we are going in the right direction vs being convinced we are.

Yeah. But if you don't do anything, you're just going to wallow like we did for probably too long with Crean. On the flip side, you could argue we fired Crean at the wrong time and would've been better off keeping him. 

Apathy will kill any program. We can save ourselves some of that turbulence by acting decisively when it becomes clear that changes need to happen. The brand of basketball we're seeing has not been good, but the past two years + his playing career definitely buys Woody another year until conversations are forced, I think. Unless we're surprised by the decisiveness of our trustees/speed at which they force those conversations, which I think is doubtful and a political landmine WRT Woody. 

Maybe Woody is open-minded to calling it a career and having a private, continued conversation with Dolson/May/Buckner, etc. If so, and we're able to lock down a candidate we feel great about (obviously proven easier said than done) that would be great.

I feel like Woody is probably a good guy, shown some good stuff as a coach/developer of talent, and absolutely is a program legend. I don't want it to be an ugly divorce and doubt it will be. He should be embraced by the fans and I just see it getting real bad if we go into next year on the same trajectory we're currently on. 

[HoosierTrav 7,729]

36 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

I asked our AI Chatbot through work to help us all with a path forward. Needless to say, the bot is ambitious: "Here are five successful current or former coaches who could be potential candidates depending on the timing of Mike Woodson's departure:

1. Brad Stevens: Although he's currently coaching in the NBA with the Boston Celtics, Stevens has a successful history in college basketball with Butler University. He's long been linked with Indiana University due to his Indiana roots.

2. Tony Bennett: He's currently the head coach at University of Virginia and led the Cavaliers to a NCAA Championship in 2019. His defensive-focused style might be appealing to Indiana.

3. Mark Few: The longtime Gonzaga coach has turned the Bulldogs into a perennial powerhouse, reaching the NCAA tournament every year. He has proven success at developing an elite program.

4. Jay Wright: The head coach of Villanova has proven his abilities many times over, winning two NCAA championships in the past few years.

5. Billy Donovan: Having previously had great success at the University of Florida with two NCAA Championships, he's another coach with a strong track record; however, he's currently coaching in the NBA as well.

Remember, these are just potential names and these coaches might not be interested or available when Indiana University is looking at potential replacements."

This hurts me. 

[Golfman25 4,994]

56 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You said it there. Yes, they want guarantees. 

Here is the thing, most seem to trust that Trilly knows what too recruits are thinking. He backed this up recently and didn’t need to. He came right out and said that is why guards didn’t want to come where. Woody would not pencil them in. 

You can say you don’t want them then but that is the M.O. of 95% of these guys looking to transfer that are worth anything. I want paid and I want assurances on starting roles. 

It is messy and we can say Woody should have done XYZ. But we should also know this is reality of portal land. His miscalculation was he should have probably guaranteed them a role and told Trey and X sorry. Wisconsin did it and others have as well. 

While obviously true, it's silly and not competitive sports.  So I guarantee you a starting spot and you come in a lay a turd.  Am I supposed to keep doing it, or sit your sorry a$$ on the bench.  Or do I just lie to you.  :)  

[Hoosier DaDa 2,121]

8 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

I would hope that the fanbase can act like adults and at the very least try not to make total ***** of ourselves publicly and respect Woody and the team enough to not turn home games into a toxic environment

I agree with you but it won't play out like that.  The fanbase is sick and tired of it (the last 20+ years).  Honestly we all know that it was a desperation hire in the first place.  Although I think Woody did the best he could by keeping TJD around for two years (to bad he couldn't keep him around for his COVID year) and coached up the team fairly well during those times (making the tourney which we all desperately needed).  He totally dropped the ball this year meaning 0 guards through the portal.  Hell he should of tried to keep Bates over depending on Gunn developing or two incoming freshmen one who is going to redshirt.  I wish that X and Trey were the answers at guard we needed but after 10 year experience between the two of them their year to date performance SUCKS.  He did a good job getting Ware and Walker (surprising good pick up) and got lucky Mgbako fell in his lap (which we all hope would be our savior).  Honestly if he can keep Mgbako, Ware and Malik here next year (they don't hit the portal) because none of them is quite ready for the league and fill up the rest of the core with Liam (hopefully he stays committed).  Bring in some guards that can shoot and take care of the ball and have some offense schemes then we can be successful.  

[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We need a hungry guy trying to prove something. Sometimes that payday is nice enough to let someone rest on their laurels.  
Dusty May is only 46 or 47 and that is nice and I’d imagine he’d be hungry and the Alma mater perspective would have him motivated.  I’d be concerned about recruitng connections and the level of play jump for him.  The media seems to love him and that would be nice to be back in the good graces of the media which I shouldn’t care about   But it’s annoying to feel like everyone is rooting against you all the time.

 

I've warmed up to Dusty.  A gamble for sure but could be a grand slam.  He took over FAU from another former NBA HC and NBA player (sounds familiar) who was God awful as FAU finished 14th, 12th, 11th, and 11th and only won 31% of his games.  Meanwhile, Dusty has had a winning record every single year he's been at FAU and has had them top 5 of Conference USA every year since year 3.  A remarkable turnaround.

[LamarCheeks 17,930]

 

Kind of amazing when you look at what Dusty May has done at FAU compared with his predecessors, especially when you consider their "pedigrees"  ... 

Green was a star at UNLV and former first-round draft pick. 
Doherty was a pretty good player at UNC and coached at Notre Dame and in Chapel Hill for two years while they waited for Ol' Roy to leave Kansas
Walters was a former Kansas and Northwestern star 
Jarvis coached at St. John's and George Washington
Curry is a former Pistons head coach. 

And Dusty, who was nothing more than a manager at IU under RMK, outdid them all. LOL! 
 

[Home Jersey 6,533]

Wichita State plays at FAU 7pm on ESPN tomorrow. FAU is going to be must-see TV for me the rest of the year, I think. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

21 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

 

Kind of amazing when you look at what Dusty May has done at FAU compared with his predecessors, especially when you consider their "pedigrees"  ... 

Green was a star at UNLV and former first-round draft pick. 
Doherty was a pretty good player at UNC and coached at Notre Dame and in Chapel Hill for two years while they waited for Ol' Roy to leave Kansas
Walters was a former Kansas and Northwestern star 
Jarvis coached at St. John's and George Washington
Curry is a former Pistons head coach. 

And Dusty, who was nothing more than a manager at IU under RMK, outdid them all. LOL! 
 

In contrast to Archie, hasn't almost everyone won at Dayton?

[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

Pretty spot on analysis here.  And if we are starting from scratch again next year as Bozich seem to think, why not start it with a coach who will be here for more than 2-3 years?

 

 

[Trish 11,505]

Does anyone think Indiana turns down the NIT? I know Fred Glass didn’t approve of the NIT. 
 

It’s Indiana! 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

9 minutes ago, Trish said:

Does anyone think Indiana turns down the NIT? I know Fred Glass didn’t approve of the NIT. 
 

It’s Indiana! 

Gotta make it there first.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,822]

Count me out on Dusty May. He had a great season last year without question. The other four years he went 17-18, 17-15, 13-10, and 19-15. We tried the mid-major flavor of the month before and it was a disaster. Not saying he’s Archie Miller, but he’s still a big risk. 

Realistically, though, he’s probably the best we can do. The IU administration won’t be able to poach a top dog. Taking a risk on Dusty may be their best option. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,206]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Count me out on Dusty May. He had a great season last year without question. The other four years he went 17-18, 17-15, 13-10, and 19-15. We tried the mid-major flavor of the month before and it was a disaster. Not saying he’s Archie Miller, but he’s still a big risk. 

Realistically, though, he’s probably the best we can do. The IU administration won’t be able to poach a top dog. Taking a risk on Dusty may be their best option. 

Unless they are willing to get in the mud...Beard, Pearl, Drew... you're correct.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,822]

2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Unless they are willing to get in the mud...Beard, Pearl, Drew... you're correct.

Don’t want to sidetrack the thread, but we all know they won’t be willing to do that. And that’s the program’s biggest obstacle. So, we’re stuck chasing a miracle. Might have to kiss a lot of frogs before we find our prince. 

[LamarCheeks 17,930]

25 minutes ago, Trish said:

Does anyone think Indiana turns down the NIT? I know Fred Glass didn’t approve of the NIT. 
 

It’s Indiana! 

I think Glass was OK with the NIT (as OK as you can be with that tournament). He wasn't with the other tertiary postseason events: College Basketball Insider tournament, The Basketball Classic, College Basketball Invitational -- whatever they were called. Those were more for mid- to low-majors anyway. 

[Hornsby 1,651]

Does anyone think Indiana turns down the NIT? I know Fred Glass didn’t approve of the NIT. 
 
It’s Indiana! 

You assume e even get an invite

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[Hornsby 1,651]

Unless they are willing to get in the mud...Beard, Pearl, Drew... you're correct.

They aren't willing to do that they would rather take a risk on a flavor of the month and hope it works. I still think we could of had beilein instead of Woodson but he was too old. Oh wait aren't they the same age basically.

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