*RANT HERE*

[Hoosier987 1,062]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

 Woodson has talked about playing inside out — Passing from the post to get the open three point shot.  The problem is we have a bunch a brick layers out there.  He’s failed to get players that can shoot.  He is a lot of talk and very little action.   

Agreed. It’s part of the system as well…forget Tamar Bates look at Miller Kopp as well. He’s lighting it up in the G league too. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,943]

But how many fans on here and social media wanted him gone? He sucks, will never be a p5 player, etc.? 

Bad recipe. He was really bad. We were good enough we couldn’t give him time to try to work through it. Tough situation.

I wanted him to stay. I especially wanted him to stay if I knew we didn’t grab a stud SG out of the portal.

Our system is just flawed right now and we don’t have the personnel to play winning ball. It’s hard to know where to place the blame exactly, but ultimately it’s the head coach no matter what. He’s lost my faith.




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[IUFAN1976 2,782]

40 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

About to say this. It’s why I said yesterday that we can grab all the talented guards, shooters in the portal but if Woodson refuses to change his schematics, it’s really a moot point. I can’t believe I’m saying this in 2024 but we practically play in a system where the 3 point line doesn’t exist. Do you know we’re one of the few P5 programs that have a negative point differential for the year? We are getting obliterated on the 3 point line. As Hummel said in the broadcast on Friday, “you can’t play like this in today’s game…the 3 point line is everything and it puts IU at such a huge disadvantage the way they play.”
Many IU folks know basketball, it’s what differentiates us from other fanbases and it’s why Woodson is getting deserved heat. They see a product on the floor that is lousy and yet in many ways is fixable but we have a Staff that continues to defy the odds by continuing to play this same boring system despite hard evidence and facts that prove otherwise. It doesn’t work and yet Woodson won’t change.

That’s Woodson’s biggest problem, stubbornness and inability to adapt. He doesn’t like change and seems like it’s his way or hit the highway mentality 

[IndyResident16 567]

20 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

I am sorry man but this narrative that IU fans are so knowledgeable is hilarious. The stuff I see on social media, with blog guys etc. is wrong 90% of the time. This fanbase thinks they know ball more than they do.  It is why they say Tamar is trash. No, it isn’t the “system”  He needed time. Our guards and wings have plenty of opportunities. The pass up shots or brick them. 

Just the other day, think is was Assembly Call, posted the 1st team all conference mid season according to KenPom Stas. 95% of the players across all conferences were Juniors or Seniors. Experience really matters. Having time to grow in the game matters. Even TJD was night and day as a Junior to Senior from freshman/sophomore. 

Due to anger and frustration for all these years of underperforming, the fanbase has formed a quick trigger mentality with players, with coaches, etc. if it isn’t working right away, they need to go. They wrap that in this “we know ball, this player doesn’t have it” package. 

At some point, the current players and whatever coaching staff can’t carry the baggage of 20+ years of failures. The extra pressure this creates only harms and has put us in a perpetual cycle of turnover. 

Nobody forced Tamar to leave. That was done on his own accord. 

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So Indiana is leading the nation in flagrant fouls? Under Mike Woodson’s leadership? 
 
Great job Coach! 

That's BS.....hook and holds are not flagrant, in my opinion, unless there is intent to cause injury. How many Edy elbows above the neck are ever called. Flagrant fouls are just a refs opinion, typically depending on where the game is played.

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Just now, Ngw7183 said:

Not the point 

What is your point? That fans were too “tough” on him on social media? Big effing deal. Then get off social media. That’s part of the culture that has plagued IU for two decades; recruiting mentally fragile kids and pampering them throughout the process. 
 

Auburn has 1 consensus top 50 recruit on their roster. Same can be said for Houston. Their coaching staffs don’t care about recruiting stars, they care about finding the strongest players both mentally and physically. Those programs celebrate their wins on the court while we celebrate recruiting wins. You think Auburn and Houston players give a damn what fans say about them on social media? 

[Rico 2,986]

22 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

What is your point? That fans were too “tough” on him on social media? Big effing deal. Then get off social media. That’s part of the culture that has plagued IU for two decades; recruiting mentally fragile kids and pampering them throughout the process. 
 

Auburn has 1 consensus top 50 recruit on their roster. Same can be said for Houston. Their coaching staffs don’t care about recruiting stars, they care about finding the strongest players both mentally and physically. Those programs celebrate their wins on the court while we celebrate recruiting wins. You think Auburn and Houston players give a damn what fans say about them on social media? 

But, but, but...what are Houston and Auburn's combined team GPA's?

[IUFAN1976 2,782]

37 minutes ago, Rico said:

But, but, but...what are Houston and Auburn's combined team GPA's?

I don’t even think Houston and Auburn even care about that.  All they care about is winning and winning brings $$$$.  Maybe IU should start taking that attitude!

[Golfman25 5,004]

15 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I don’t even think Houston and Auburn even care about that.  All they care about is winning and winning brings $$$$.  Maybe IU should start taking that attitude!

That attitude got us in this mess when the program blew up under Sampson.  We can have it all.  Just need to find the right coach which to date has been a complete cluster fk.  Crean was close but fell short.  Archie, wtf was that.  Woodson looking more and more like a bust.  Gotta find that hungry guy with a complete plan.  

[IUHoosierJoe 1,089]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

I am sorry man but this narrative that IU fans are so knowledgeable is hilarious. The stuff I see on social media, with blog guys etc. is wrong 90% of the time. This fanbase thinks they know ball more than they do.  It is why they say Tamar is trash. No, it isn’t the “system”  He needed time. Our guards and wings have plenty of opportunities. The pass up shots or brick them. 

Just the other day, think is was Assembly Call, posted the 1st team all conference mid season according to KenPom Stas. 95% of the players across all conferences were Juniors or Seniors. Experience really matters. Having time to grow in the game matters. Even TJD was night and day as a Junior to Senior from freshman/sophomore. 

Due to anger and frustration for all these years of underperforming, the fanbase has formed a quick trigger mentality with players, with coaches, etc. if it isn’t working right away, they need to go. They wrap that in this “we know ball, this player doesn’t have it” package. 

At some point, the current players and whatever coaching staff can’t carry the baggage of 20+ years of failures. The extra pressure this creates only harms and has put us in a perpetual cycle of turnover. 

100% with you on this.  Back in the day, our fan base was the best.  Now?  The most comical thing (at least recently) to me is the pining all over the message boards for Bruce Pearl.  Bruce Pearl will be 64 before the end of this season.  His first two years at Auburn, he had losing seasons.  He was 26-40 and 9-27 in the SEC, for christ sakes.  In "Year 7" (as people here like to say) he was 13-14 and 7-11 in the SEC.  But Auburn gave him time, and now he's the "best coach in the country" and a no brainer for Indiana to hire. 

So, if we hired him, he'd be 66 after "Year 2" and 71 after "Year 7" and half the folks on the message boards would have been posting in a "Fire Bruce Pearl" thread after the 5th game of his first season.  Yet, those same people think Xavier and C.J. are the embarrassments, lol.

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38 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

That attitude got us in this mess when the program blew up under Sampson.  We can have it all.  Just need to find the right coach which to date has been a complete cluster fk.  Crean was close but fell short.  Archie, wtf was that.  Woodson looking more and more like a bust.  Gotta find that hungry guy with a complete plan.  

Respectfully disagree. If they had that attitude, they wouldn’t have fired Sampson over 3 minor and laughable infractions. Was it stupid for him to get caught doing these things? Of course. But he never should have been fired imo. It was a sign of an administration who wasn’t serious about winning and committed to preserving their holier than thou image. Nothing embarrasses me more about being an IU fan than being associated with the IU people who have elitist and sanctimonious attitudes towards other institutions, and more importantly, other people. The truth is that we aren’t morally better than anyone else. At any level. The people at Auburn and Houston are just as good of human beings as those at IU. I’m sure of it. 
 

and yes I’m aware of the off court issues. We seem to have those issues regardless of who’s leading the program. All things that could be fixed or improved upon. 

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31 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

100% with you on this.  Back in the day, our fan base was the best.  Now?  The most comical thing (at least recently) to me is the pining all over the message boards for Bruce Pearl.  Bruce Pearl will be 64 before the end of this season.  His first two years at Auburn, he had losing seasons.  He was 26-40 and 9-27 in the SEC, for christ sakes.  In "Year 7" (as people here like to say) he was 13-14 and 7-11 in the SEC.  But Auburn gave him time, and now he's the "best coach in the country" and a no brainer for Indiana to hire. 

So, if we hired him, he'd be 66 after "Year 2" and 71 after "Year 7" and half the folks on the message boards would have been posting in a "Fire Bruce Pearl" thread after the 5th game of his first season.  Yet, those same people think Xavier and C.J. are the embarrassments, lol.

The SEC has been better than the B10 for quite sometime and Bruce Pearl has won the SEC 5 different times and on pace to win it again this year. He’s lead two different SEC programs to #1 rankings. Pearl is consistently considered one of the best coaches in the country. 
 

These types of comments that you make are why opposing fan bases don’t take IU seriously anymore; the world doesn’t revolve around IU basketball like it used to. Bruce Pearl is a better coach than anyone IU has hired (sans Sampson) since Knight retired by a country mile.

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23 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

The SEC has been better than the B10 for quite sometime and Bruce Pearl has won the SEC 5 different times and on pace to win it again this year. He’s lead two different SEC programs to #1 rankings. Pearl is consistently considered one of the best coaches in the country. 
 

These types of comments that you make are why opposing fan bases don’t take IU seriously anymore; the world doesn’t revolve around IU basketball like it used to. Bruce Pearl is a better coach than anyone IU has hired (sans Sampson) since Knight retired by a country mile.

Pearl has a third of Auburn’s tournament appearances (also would’ve made it in 2020 when Auburn went 25-6 and T-2nd in the SEC) and 40% of their conference championships. He’s 16-2 this year and 5-0 in the SEC. He went to a school with virtually zero history and turned them into a very good program. 

Tge guy you’re responding to talks about “year 7,” but in the three years before Pearl’s “year 7,” he went 81-24, 36-18 on the conference, and made a final four. Pretty sure they would’ve bought some good graces from a fan base that hasn’t seen a final four in over 20 years. 

Ultimately it doesn’t matter because there’s zero chance Pearl leaves Auburn for IU. He makes $5.4 million at a school that lets him do his thing in the recruiting world. 

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8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Pearl has a third of Auburn’s tournament appearances (also would’ve made it in 2020 when Auburn went 25-6 and T-2nd in the SEC) and 40% of their conference championships. He’s 16-2 this year and 5-0 in the SEC. He went to a school with virtually zero history and turned them into a very good program. 

Tge guy you’re responding to talks about “year 7,” but in the three years before Pearl’s “year 7,” he went 81-24, 36-18 on the conference, and made a final four. Pretty sure they would’ve bought some good graces from a fan base that hasn’t seen a final four in over 20 years. 

Ultimately it doesn’t matter because there’s zero chance Pearl leaves Auburn for IU. He makes $5.4 million at a school that lets him do his thing in the recruiting world. 

The way he openly talked about the Indiana program both before and after they kicked our @$$ leads me to believe he may consider it. I haven’t seen another coach talk about Indiana like that in a long time. 

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47 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

The SEC has been better than the B10 for quite sometime and Bruce Pearl has won the SEC 5 different times and on pace to win it again this year. He’s lead two different SEC programs to #1 rankings. Pearl is consistently considered one of the best coaches in the country. 
 

These types of comments that you make are why opposing fan bases don’t take IU seriously anymore; the world doesn’t revolve around IU basketball like it used to. Bruce Pearl is a better coach than anyone IU has hired (sans Sampson) since Knight retired by a country mile.

My point, which you missed, is that neither you nor at least half the fan base would give him time to succeed here.  It doesn't happen at the flip of a switch.

[Golfman25 5,004]

55 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Respectfully disagree. If they had that attitude, they wouldn’t have fired Sampson over 3 minor and laughable infractions. Was it stupid for him to get caught doing these things? Of course. But he never should have been fired imo. It was a sign of an administration who wasn’t serious about winning and committed to preserving their holier than thou image. Nothing embarrasses me more about being an IU fan than being associated with the IU people who have elitist and sanctimonious attitudes towards other institutions, and more importantly, other people. The truth is that we aren’t morally better than anyone else. At any level. The people at Auburn and Houston are just as good of human beings as those at IU. I’m sure of it. 
 

and yes I’m aware of the off court issues. We seem to have those issues regardless of who’s leading the program. All things that could be fixed or improved upon. 

The other off the court issues with Sampson were 10x what they have been with other coaches.  You can have a “clean” program that improves the kids lives and succeeds on the court.  

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56 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

The SEC has been better than the B10 for quite sometime and Bruce Pearl has won the SEC 5 different times and on pace to win it again this year. He’s lead two different SEC programs to #1 rankings. Pearl is consistently considered one of the best coaches in the country. 
 

These types of comments that you make are why opposing fan bases don’t take IU seriously anymore; the world doesn’t revolve around IU basketball like it used to. Bruce Pearl is a better coach than anyone IU has hired (sans Sampson) since Knight retired by a country mile.

I think is more the age thing.  Dude has obviously been a success.  

[IUHoosierJoe 1,089]

4 hours ago, WhiteyMcSpeed said:

Tamar Bates’s field goal percentage has went from 39% to 56% and 3pt percentage from 37% to 48%. Missouri may be bad but you just can’t ignore the field goal percentage improvement.

So, if we were 8-10 and Tamar Bates was still here and shooting that percentage, you'd be on this board celebrating his FG% and therefore our great system for shooting guards?  Please forgive me that I doubt that.

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2 hours ago, IndyResident16 said:

What is your point? That fans were too “tough” on him on social media? Big effing deal. Then get off social media. That’s part of the culture that has plagued IU for two decades; recruiting mentally fragile kids and pampering them throughout the process. 
 

Auburn has 1 consensus top 50 recruit on their roster. Same can be said for Houston. Their coaching staffs don’t care about recruiting stars, they care about finding the strongest players both mentally and physically. Those programs celebrate their wins on the court while we celebrate recruiting wins. You think Auburn and Houston players give a damn what fans say about them on social media? 

Every single person cares what others say about them, and when the fan base is as unhinged as IU is, it is tough. Fans think they can say whatever they want with no impact, but players are human too. But glad you condone insulting young athletes. 

[IndyResident16 567]

10 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Every single person cares what others say about them, and when the fan base is as unhinged as IU is, it is tough. Fans think they can say whatever they want with no impact, but players are human too. But glad you condone insulting young athletes. 

I’m an adult, I don’t have social media. If you’re a D1 athlete who can’t take heat on social media….stay out of the kitchen. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.