They Fired Tom Allen!

[Lebowski 2,990]

I'm like a broken record here, IUFB has a total of 13 bowl appearances and, wait for it, a grand total of 3 victories in its 136 year history. Read that sentence again. 

Folks are saying the want to fire the coach that would get IUFB its 4th bowl victory in program history. No coach these folks are wanting would ever consider coaching IUFB if they got their wishes for the hypothetical question I asked them. Not a single coach worth a darn. Not one.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,827]

20 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

I know, which would make winning a bowl game (which was the hypothetical posed) all the more impressive. I likely have the same thoughts on TA as you do. But in that hypothetical scenario of a 7-6 record with a bowl win, which would include a 5 game win streak, we cannot possibly fire the coach that does that. Again…who the hell do we think we are? I know some will say that even with that record, we’d have only beaten bad teams. Correct! That’s fantastic! Indiana football needs to focus on beating the other bad teams and winning a crappy bowl game. That is a remarkable season for this program. 

[Lebowski 2,990]

20 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

Let's be real honest and compare his overall resume.  He has had the most wins by any other IUFB coach over the past twenty years. He's beaten teams IUFB hasn't beaten in decades. And if he goes bowling this year, he deserves credit for achieving that rare experience for the program. He's already coached 23% of the program's bowl history, and if they go bowling this year, that would jump to 29%. 

The program is what it is. 

[Lebowski 2,990]

16 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I know, which would make winning a bowl game (which was the hypothetical posed) all the more impressive. I likely have the same thoughts on TA as you do. But in that hypothetical scenario of a 7-6 record with a bowl win, which would include a 5 game win streak, we cannot possibly fire the coach that does that. Again…who the hell do we think we are? I know some will say that even with that record, we’d have only beaten bad teams. Correct! That’s fantastic! Indiana football needs to focus on beating the other bad teams and winning a crappy bowl game. That is a remarkable season for this program. 

Man, I couldn't have said it any better.  This entire conversation is hypothetical and likely won't happen. But if it does, I'm happy for the program and will enjoy the success it achieved this season. And CTA was a reason for it. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,827]

13 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Man, I couldn't have said it any better.  This entire conversation is hypothetical and likely won't happen. But if it does, I'm happy for the program and will enjoy the success it achieved this season. And CTA was a reason for it. 

Yeah, it’s a funny conversation to have. I want so much more for this program. I’m sure we all do. I currently fall pretty firmly in the camp that TA is not the guy to lead this program. But if he rips off a 5 game streak including a bowl win, that changes for me and I’ll believe 2 things. 1.) TA should continue leading this program. 2.) for the past 2 seasons, when a coach was fired and Rod Carey took on a larger responsibility with this team, the team has show considerable improvement. I don’t know what else to say beyond that fairly vague statement, but it would be true.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,350]

1 hour ago, OGIUAndy said:

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

Tom Allen really owes absolutely everything to Michael Penix and DeBoer. Outside of 2019 and the flukey 2020, he’s 19-39 overall and 7-35 in the Big 10. That’s a 16.7% conference winning percentage. 7 conference wins in nearly 5 seasons. 3-21 since the 2020 season. His firing can’t come soon enough. 

[Lebowski 2,990]

11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Tom Allen really owes absolutely everything to Michael Penix and DeBoer. Outside of 2019 and the flukey 2020, he’s 19-39 overall and 7-35 in the Big 10. That’s a 16.7% conference winning percentage. 7 conference wins in nearly 5 seasons. 3-21 since the 2020 season. His firing can’t come soon enough. 

So, kudos to Allen for recruiting and hiring?  It's not like they just decided to come to IUFB for no reason, right?  Do the two you mention here "owe" anything to IUFB and CTA? Like without IUFB, their chemistry takes a little longer to build and who knows what kind of record Washington has, correct? 

Look, I'm not saying CTA is the right guy for IUFB but man, we fans have to try and look at the entire CTA picture honestly. He deserves credit when credit is due.  

[Lebowski 2,990]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Yeah, it’s a funny conversation to have. I want so much more for this program. I’m sure we all do. I currently fall pretty firmly in the camp that TA is not the guy to lead this program. But if he rips off a 5 game streak including a bowl win, that changes for me and I’ll believe 2 things. 1.) TA should continue leading this program. 2.) for the past 2 seasons, when a coach was fired and Rod Carey took on a larger responsibility with this team, the team has show considerable improvement. I don’t know what else to say beyond that fairly vague statement, but it would be true.

Same team. 

[Demo 21,836]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I know, which would make winning a bowl game (which was the hypothetical posed) all the more impressive. I likely have the same thoughts on TA as you do. But in that hypothetical scenario of a 7-6 record with a bowl win, which would include a 5 game win streak, we cannot possibly fire the coach that does that. Again…who the hell do we think we are? I know some will say that even with that record, we’d have only beaten bad teams. Correct! That’s fantastic! Indiana football needs to focus on beating the other bad teams and winning a crappy bowl game. That is a remarkable season for this program. 

You’re right. In that scenario there is a 0% chance he’s fired and anyone lobbying for it at that point would be tilting at windmills. But, big but, even against 3 bad teams this one is a lot more likely to go 0-3 than 3-0. Maybe they get the home game against MSU, if you don’t beat those guys that probably ought to be the nail in the coffin, but I’ll believe this team wins a road game when they win a road game and not a second before. 

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2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

I'm like a broken record here, IUFB has a total of 13 bowl appearances and, wait for it, a grand total of 3 victories in its 136 year history. Read that sentence again. 

Folks are saying the want to fire the coach that would get IUFB its 4th bowl victory in program history. No coach these folks are wanting would ever consider coaching IUFB if they got their wishes for the hypothetical question I asked them. Not a single coach worth a darn. Not one.

Cool. Don't care. Allen is a god awful coach. All it proves is that yet again, he needs someone who knows more about the game and is a better coach than him to be successful (Carey). Why should we be paying him the big bucks when he isn't the reason for winning?

[Alford Bailey 12,821]

Low risk we make a bowl. We are playing better but still stink. Wisconsin was statistically much better yesterday with a backup QB but penalties and turnovers got them.

[Lebowski 2,990]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Cool. Don't care.

I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Lebowski 2,990]

8 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Low risk we make a bowl. We are playing better but still stink. Wisconsin was statistically much better yesterday with a backup QB but penalties and turnovers got them.

They didn't execute better then IUFB yesterday.  

[Alford Bailey 12,821]

2 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

They didn't execute better then IUFB yesterday.  

Look at the stats. Penalties and turnovers the difference.

[Lebowski 2,990]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Penalties and turnovers the difference.

Those are stats. IUFB executed taking the ball away. It was a big reason they won 8 games one season and finished ranked in the top 20 another season. It is the entire mantra of a CTA defense.  

[Hoosierfan2017 23,350]

44 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

So, kudos to Allen for recruiting and hiring?  It's not like they just decided to come to IUFB for no reason, right?  Do the two you mention here "owe" anything to IUFB and CTA? Like without IUFB, their chemistry takes a little longer to build and who knows what kind of record Washington has, correct? 

Look, I'm not saying CTA is the right guy for IUFB but man, we fans have to try and look at the entire CTA picture honestly. He deserves credit when credit is due.  

He got lucky with one recruit and one OC. We’ve seen enough of his recruiting and coach selection over the other 5 seasons to know he just got lucky with Penix and Allen. 

I hated the Allen hire from the very beginning. He is in his 7th season. He’s won 3 conference games in the past 3 seasons. However much credit one wants to give him for 2019 and 2020 is debatable. I give him little given the rest of his tenure. Others give him quite a bit. Regardless, in his other 5 seasons he has won a total of 7 conference games. It’s time to move on. 

[Lebowski 2,990]

I don't think ot was luck because I don't believe in that.  IMO, He's had some home run hires other than DeBoer but I get it.  You want someone that is more consistent. I want that too.  

[NashvilleHoosier 3,827]

16 minutes ago, Demo said:

You’re right. In that scenario there is a 0% chance he’s fired and anyone lobbying for it at that point would be tilting at windmills. But, big but, even against 3 bad teams this one is a lot more likely to go 0-3 than 3-0. Maybe they get the home game against MSU, if you don’t beat those guys that probably ought to be the nail in the coffin, but I’ll believe this team wins a road game when they win a road game and not a second before. 

Right. This hypothetical is highly highly unlikely to play out. I’m only responding to that exact hypothetical.

[TTT 1,130]

IU football frustrations include this season is that T.A. and coaching are slow learners.  Things that are being observed in late part of October and November should have been strategized and handled during spring ball, summer and preseason.  Examples are firing Bell, QB passing game McCulley improving, not trying to run Lucas as featured back between tackles etc…things happening recently should have been resolved before game 1.  Always seem to be playing behind learning curve.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,771]

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