They Fired Tom Allen!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

I'm like a broken record here, IUFB has a total of 13 bowl appearances and, wait for it, a grand total of 3 victories in its 136 year history. Read that sentence again. 

Folks are saying the want to fire the coach that would get IUFB its 4th bowl victory in program history. No coach these folks are wanting would ever consider coaching IUFB if they got their wishes for the hypothetical question I asked them. Not a single coach worth a darn. Not one.

Cool. Don't care. Allen is a god awful coach. All it proves is that yet again, he needs someone who knows more about the game and is a better coach than him to be successful (Carey). Why should we be paying him the big bucks when he isn't the reason for winning?

[Alford Bailey]

Low risk we make a bowl. We are playing better but still stink. Wisconsin was statistically much better yesterday with a backup QB but penalties and turnovers got them.

[Lebowski]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Cool. Don't care.

I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Lebowski]

8 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Low risk we make a bowl. We are playing better but still stink. Wisconsin was statistically much better yesterday with a backup QB but penalties and turnovers got them.

They didn't execute better then IUFB yesterday.  

[Alford Bailey]

2 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

They didn't execute better then IUFB yesterday.  

Look at the stats. Penalties and turnovers the difference.

[Lebowski]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Penalties and turnovers the difference.

Those are stats. IUFB executed taking the ball away. It was a big reason they won 8 games one season and finished ranked in the top 20 another season. It is the entire mantra of a CTA defense.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

44 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

So, kudos to Allen for recruiting and hiring?  It's not like they just decided to come to IUFB for no reason, right?  Do the two you mention here "owe" anything to IUFB and CTA? Like without IUFB, their chemistry takes a little longer to build and who knows what kind of record Washington has, correct? 

Look, I'm not saying CTA is the right guy for IUFB but man, we fans have to try and look at the entire CTA picture honestly. He deserves credit when credit is due.  

He got lucky with one recruit and one OC. We’ve seen enough of his recruiting and coach selection over the other 5 seasons to know he just got lucky with Penix and Allen. 

I hated the Allen hire from the very beginning. He is in his 7th season. He’s won 3 conference games in the past 3 seasons. However much credit one wants to give him for 2019 and 2020 is debatable. I give him little given the rest of his tenure. Others give him quite a bit. Regardless, in his other 5 seasons he has won a total of 7 conference games. It’s time to move on. 

[Lebowski]

I don't think ot was luck because I don't believe in that.  IMO, He's had some home run hires other than DeBoer but I get it.  You want someone that is more consistent. I want that too.  

[NashvilleHoosier]

16 minutes ago, Demo said:

You’re right. In that scenario there is a 0% chance he’s fired and anyone lobbying for it at that point would be tilting at windmills. But, big but, even against 3 bad teams this one is a lot more likely to go 0-3 than 3-0. Maybe they get the home game against MSU, if you don’t beat those guys that probably ought to be the nail in the coffin, but I’ll believe this team wins a road game when they win a road game and not a second before. 

Right. This hypothetical is highly highly unlikely to play out. I’m only responding to that exact hypothetical.

[TTT]

IU football frustrations include this season is that T.A. and coaching are slow learners.  Things that are being observed in late part of October and November should have been strategized and handled during spring ball, summer and preseason.  Examples are firing Bell, QB passing game McCulley improving, not trying to run Lucas as featured back between tackles etc…things happening recently should have been resolved before game 1.  Always seem to be playing behind learning curve.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Hey @Lebowski ever consider changing your screen name to George Armstrong Custer?  Inquiring minds want to know!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, Lebowski said:

I don't think ot was luck because I don't believe in that.  IMO, He's had some home run hires other than DeBoer but I get it.  You want someone that is more consistent. I want that too.  

Other than Kalen and Kane... Who else was a homerun hire for him?

[OGIUAndy]

57 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Other than Kalen and Kane... Who else was a homerun hire for him?

My most recent concern with CTA is a QB recruit from Indiana said our practices were a "sh*show". That's not what you want to hear from a recruit. 

[Lebowski]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Other than Kalen and Kane... Who else was a homerun hire for him?

https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/alabama-football-sports-science-center-high-performance-david-ballou-dr-matt-rhea

Mike Hart, Deland McCullough, Jason Jones, Kevin Peoples, and so on.  

They all moved on to bigger opportunities and paychecks. Because, well, you don't care, but they were all coaching at IUFB. (Allen paid for some of his coaches with his own money.) And the program is what it is.  

People forget just how loaded his staff was. It was the Hiller situation that ultimately got to where we currently are with IUFB. 

[Hovadipo]

8 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/alabama-football-sports-science-center-high-performance-david-ballou-dr-matt-rhea

Mike Hart, Deland McCullough, Jason Jones, Kevin Peoples, and so on.  

They all moved on to bigger opportunities and paychecks. Because, well, you don't care, but they were all coaching at IUFB.  And the program is what it is.  

People forget just how loaded his staff was.  It was the Hiller situation that ultimately got to where we currently are with IUFB. 

Add Wellman replacing Ballou and his guys too. Ask anyone in the industry and they’ll tell you that’s a guy. Been everywhere, done everything. Still have no clue how Allen pulled that off. 

He caught a bunch of weird flak when we had a run of injuries, but anyone blaming Wellman for it was plain wrong, to be blunt. 

Some of the recruiting staff that no one has ever heard of are also absolute studs in that area. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

13 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

https://www.si.com/college/alabama/bamacentral/alabama-football-sports-science-center-high-performance-david-ballou-dr-matt-rhea

Mike Hart, Deland McCullough, Jason Jones, Kevin Peoples, and so on.  

They all moved on to bigger opportunities and paychecks. Because, well, you don't care, but they were all coaching at IUFB. (Allen paid for some of his coaches with his own money.) And the program is what it is.  

People forget just how loaded his staff was. It was the Hiller situation that ultimately got to where we currently are with IUFB. 

Hart did do anything for us. He was a name. That was really it. We still had no run game when he was on staff. McCullough also really didn't do much for us. He got us two commitments from his sons... Who are now at Oklahoma and Cincy. Jason Jones.. was there for 2020.. but also 21 and 22 and our safeties were terrible. It was no different than any other year really. Our safeties get roasted often. Kevin Peoples.. yet another guy whose first season was 2020 like Jones... And immediately saw an absolute embarrassment of a season where the DLine was god awful like the rest of the team.... It's almost like 2020 was this crazy year where things just worked out really well and water found its level the year after.

[Lebowski]

On 11/5/2023 at 2:45 PM, Hovadipo said:

Add Wellman replacing Ballou and his guys too. Ask anyone in the industry and they’ll tell you that’s a guy. Been everywhere, done everything. Still have no clue how Allen pulled that off. 

He caught a bunch of weird flak when we had a run of injuries, but anyone blaming Wellman for it was plain wrong, to be blunt. 

Some of the recruiting staff that no one has ever heard of are also absolute studs in that area. 

He's got IUFB roots doesn't he? 

[Lebowski]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Hart did do anything for us. He was a name. That was really it. We still had no run game when he was on staff. McCullough also really didn't do much for us. He got us two commitments from his sons... Who are now at Oklahoma and Cincy. Jason Jones.. was there for 2020.. but also 21 and 22 and our safeties were terrible. It was no different than any other year really. Our safeties get roasted often. Kevin Peoples.. yet another guy whose first season was 2020 like Jones... And immediately saw an absolute embarrassment of a season where the DLine was god awful like the rest of the team.... It's almost like 2020 was this crazy year where things just worked out really well and water found its level the year after.

Ok. If you say so.  All of those coaches got plucked by historically better programs than IUFB. I'm sure they're doing something right. But keep on telling yourself they weren't any good while at some of IUFB's historically best years in its entire 136 year history. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Ok. If you say so.  All of those coaches got plucked by historically better programs than IUFB. I'm sure they're doing something right. But keep on telling yourself they weren't any good while at some of IUFB's historically best years in its entire 136 year history. 

Well they weren't homerun hires if they didn't really do anything for us. Getting plucked after bad seasons doesn't make them homerun hires. Success makes them homeruns.

[Lebowski]

7 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well they weren't homerun hires if they didn't really do anything for us. Getting plucked after bad seasons doesn't make them homerun hires. Success makes them homeruns.

You obviously aren't reading their resumes and when they were coaching here.

I honestly think if IUFB was currently ranked 1 and undefeated you would find something wrong with the coach. Lol.