They Fired Tom Allen!

[NashvilleHoosier 3,677]

6 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t think the applicant list would thin out at all if the administration was willing to throw around 5-8 million a year. We would tell the applicants that Tom’s service was deeply appreciated but in order to make the “next step” it was time to move on. The applicants would piously nod their heads in agreement but then ask if we were offering 5 or 8 million per and for how many years.

That being said…..if we win 4 in a row and then win a bowl (highly unlikely) there is zero chance we would fire Allen with a 20,000,000 payout.

The next step for IU football is getting to crappy bowl games and winning them. In our hypothetical scenario, we would have just fired a coach who did exactly that and in a 5 season stretch, had 3 winning seasons, played in 2 January bowl games, won our first bowl game since ‘91, had us ranked in the top 10 at one point. I have my own thoughts on TA. Put all the qualifiers and asterisks on the COVID season, I get it. But this is arguably the worst program in major college football. I don’t care how much money we are offering, that would be one of the biggest “who the hell do you think you are?” moments in sports history to fire that coach. 

[Hovadipo 55,047]

9 hours ago, Lebowski said:

My question was hypothetical and you are free to answer if you desire. 

If this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl game; still want him gone? 

I would still want him gone, but would understand why that wouldn’t happen this year, celebrate the HELL out of a bowl win and find 8 possible wins on the schedule for 2024.

I feel like it’s pretty reasonable to admit that it’s a complicated situation with some serious nuance, which unfortunately isn’t a strong suit for message boards typically. 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,876]

I understand they’re not actually going to fire him if IU wins a bowl game this year. But the question was whether I would want him fired if that happens, and frankly there’s nothing Tom Allen could do that wouldn’t make me want IU to fire him after this season. 

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

9 hours ago, Lebowski said:

My question was hypothetical and you are free to answer if you desire. 

If this year's IUFB team goes bowling and wins said bowl game; still want him gone? 

That's a hard one. I DO want him gone... but it would make it incredibly hard to get a decent coach if, after years of struggling, we fire the guy who gets us bowling again... but, big picture and hope for the future? YES. Can his @$$.

[go iu bb 5,510]

10 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t think the applicant list would thin out at all if the administration was willing to throw around 5-8 million a year. We would tell the applicants that Tom’s service was deeply appreciated but in order to make the “next step” it was time to move on. The applicants would piously nod their heads in agreement but then ask if we were offering 5 or 8 million per and for how many years.

That being said…..if we win 4 in a row and then win a bowl (highly unlikely) there is zero chance we would fire Allen with a 20,000,000 payout.

If we made a bowl game, Allen would automatically get a 1 year extension so the buyout would be even more. I would guess that it would be about $25-26M now then $20M through the end of next season like it is now. So even just making the bowl game eliminates the chance that Allen would lose his job purely from a financial aspect.

Even if they just get close to a bowl game I can see Dolson not firing him this year, saying some crap like, "It was a tough season but there was improvement which gives us confidence next year will be better."

[Rico 2,986]

Do we want Tom Allen leading us into this new era of B1G football?  I say HELL NO.  Sadly my guess is he will be the man.

[thebigweave 423]

If we made a bowl game, Allen would automatically get a 1 year extension so the buyout would be even more. I would guess that it would be about $25-26M now then $20M through the end of next season like it is now. So even just making the bowl game eliminates the chance that Allen would lose his job purely from a financial aspect.
Even if they just get close to a bowl game I can see Dolson not firing him this year, saying some crap like, "It was a tough season but there was improvement which gives us confidence next year will be better."

That is my question. Does the buyout continue to expand with each potential extension as if on a sliding scale? Or is it tied to calendar year?

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,903]

Re:  winning a bowl game (hard for me to even type that) and the automatic 1-year contract extension CTA would get.

Should that happen, does the buyout continue to decline per the original contract terms or is it frozen for a year because of the extension and then begin to decline per the original contract terms?

[go iu bb 5,510]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Re:  winning a bowl game (hard for me to even type that) and the automatic 1-year contract extension CTA would get.

Should that happen, does the buyout continue to decline per the original contract terms or is it frozen for a year because of the extension and then begin to decline per the original contract terms?

Oh, is it winning a bowl game that triggers the automatic extension? That makes me feel much better since I thought it was just making a bowl game that did.

I don't know about the financial aspect but I'm assuming the worst since it's a terrible contract already. I know it drops from 100% remaining salary to something like 50% but I don't know if that is a set date or x-many years from the end of the contract. Again, I assume the worst which would be the latter.

[go iu bb 5,510]

12 minutes ago, thebigweave said:

That is my question. Does the buyout continue to expand with each potential extension as if on a sliding scale? Or is it tied to calendar year?

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I don't know. I just assume the worst since it's a very bad contract from IU's perspective.

[Hovadipo 55,047]

12 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Oh, is it winning a bowl game that triggers the automatic extension? That makes me feel much better since I thought it was just making a bowl game that did.

It is making a bowl, not winning. 

[Hovadipo 55,047]

via IndyStar:
 

If the university wished to terminate Allen any time before Dec. 1, 2024, it would owe him all remaining base, deferred and outside, marketing and promotional income (OMPI). If, for example, he were to be fired without cause following the 2023 season, Indiana University would still owe him more than $20 million.

Beginning Dec. 1, 2024, IU’s duty falls to just 50% of that remaining income, a substantially smaller amount. Termination on that date, for example, would require the university to pay Allen a little under $8 million, and that number would fall under $6 million a year later. Any bowl-triggered extension years would remain in this bucket, for buyout purposes. Allen is scheduled to receive a $100,000 raise via OMPI in any such extension year.
 

 

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

8 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

It is making a bowl, not winning. 

Realistically (and thankfully), I don't think we have to worry about that at this point...

[AZ Hoosier 6,546]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

via IndyStar:
 

If the university wished to terminate Allen any time before Dec. 1, 2024, it would owe him all remaining base, deferred and outside, marketing and promotional income (OMPI). If, for example, he were to be fired without cause following the 2023 season, Indiana University would still owe him more than $20 million.

Beginning Dec. 1, 2024, IU’s duty falls to just 50% of that remaining income, a substantially smaller amount. Termination on that date, for example, would require the university to pay Allen a little under $8 million, and that number would fall under $6 million a year later. Any bowl-triggered extension years would remain in this bucket, for buyout purposes. Allen is scheduled to receive a $100,000 raise via OMPI in any such extension year.
 

 

What the hell was Dolson smoking when he did that contract extension?

[OGIUAndy 759]

5 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

The next step for IU football is getting to crappy bowl games and winning them. In our hypothetical scenario, we would have just fired a coach who did exactly that and in a 5 season stretch, had 3 winning seasons, played in 2 January bowl games, won our first bowl game since ‘91, had us ranked in the top 10 at one point. I have my own thoughts on TA. Put all the qualifiers and asterisks on the COVID season, I get it. But this is arguably the worst program in major college football. I don’t care how much money we are offering, that would be one of the biggest “who the hell do you think you are?” moments in sports history to fire that coach. 

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

[LIHoosier 25,828]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

via IndyStar:
 

If the university wished to terminate Allen any time before Dec. 1, 2024, it would owe him all remaining base, deferred and outside, marketing and promotional income (OMPI). If, for example, he were to be fired without cause following the 2023 season, Indiana University would still owe him more than $20 million.

Beginning Dec. 1, 2024, IU’s duty falls to just 50% of that remaining income, a substantially smaller amount. Termination on that date, for example, would require the university to pay Allen a little under $8 million, and that number would fall under $6 million a year later. Any bowl-triggered extension years would remain in this bucket, for buyout purposes. Allen is scheduled to receive a $100,000 raise via OMPI in any such extension year.
 

 

I was looking it up the same time as you; I saw Osterman's article you posted but I saw the contrary from Rittenberg (ESPN).

Indiana would owe Allen all of his remaining compensation if it fires the coach without cause before Dec. 1, 2024. The school would owe Allen 50% of his remaining compensation in the final three years of the agreement, and 100% of his compensation for years tacked on in future contract extensions.

Serious question, what is IUFB's APR? Since there's a thousand bowls now, they go to 5-7 teams if there aren't enough FBS teams with 6+ wins. I believe the succession order is based on either prior season or 3 year rolling APR.

[Hovadipo 55,047]

6 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

I was looking it up the same time as you; I saw Osterman's article you posted but I saw the contrary from Rittenberg (ESPN).

Indiana would owe Allen all of his remaining compensation if it fires the coach without cause before Dec. 1, 2024. The school would owe Allen 50% of his remaining compensation in the final three years of the agreement, and 100% of his compensation for years tacked on in future contract extensions.

Serious question, what is IUFB's APR? Since there's a thousand bowls now, they go to 5-7 teams if there aren't enough FBS teams with 6+ wins. I believe the succession order is based on either prior season or 3 year rolling APR.

I seem to remember seeing an APR list for 5-win bowl teams a year or two ago and if IU had got to that mark, they’d have been pretty high on the list to get a bowl invite. 

(Also, strange that Rittenberg and Osterman are on the total opposite sides of the evergreen deal buyout deets. Maybe we can get one of our board lawyers to dive in pro bono)

Edit: IU’s APR was ranked 46th last year. Didn’t tally it up, but a majority of teams ahead of us were either 6+ win teams or completely terrible. In the next couple of weeks I’d expect bowl projectors to start running those numbers. The article I found was dated Nov. 22. 

[JSHoosier 19,820]

12 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

I was looking it up the same time as you; I saw Osterman's article you posted but I saw the contrary from Rittenberg (ESPN).

Indiana would owe Allen all of his remaining compensation if it fires the coach without cause before Dec. 1, 2024. The school would owe Allen 50% of his remaining compensation in the final three years of the agreement, and 100% of his compensation for years tacked on in future contract extensions.

Serious question, what is IUFB's APR? Since there's a thousand bowls now, they go to 5-7 teams if there aren't enough FBS teams with 6+ wins. I believe the succession order is based on either prior season or 3 year rolling APR.

I know it wouldn't happen, but when a big part of the job is winning games the last few years should count as cause.

[TTT 894]

16 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

What the hell was Dolson smoking when he did that contract extension?

Overly excited.

[JSHoosier 19,820]

19 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

What the hell was Dolson smoking when he did that contract extension?

Whatever it was would knock Willie Nelson on his butt.