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  On 6/15/2024 at 1:23 AM, IUFAN1976 said:

What a game and comeback by the Hoosiers.  I thought Crean coached them well down the stretch because they seem to make the right plays!

Yep, from memory they went to the baseline cross screen for Zeller on all possessions down the stretch and he scored or hit FTs. Just rewatched, that was 2/3 and the other was a high PNR. The other thing that stands out rewatching the end is that M went 1/4 from the line with a parade of guys (GRIII, THJ, Burke) who you’d expect to hit at least 3/4.

I’ll also always remember that Beilein played some deep bench guys just briefly, in at least one case because he was a senior, I think. And of course that’s not the reason UM lost, at least not more than the 1000 other things you can point to in any one point game…but man, I wonder if he’d like to have some of those choices back.

I’d love to ask Yogi if he got a piece of the tip in that rolled out.

 

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  On 6/15/2024 at 9:58 PM, ebridges24 said:
Stop it! Yup, this is the reason you need another serviceable big, not the one we got, but a better one. We always seem to come up short on something.

I mean, yeah, I’m mostly joking here because it’s too early to be concerned but with our Injury history I don’t like what we did with our bigs.

Get this. We have an open scholarship. It’s allowed to be used. Maybe find a body that can play emergency spot minutes if god forbid we have 2 big guy injuries then **** really hits the fan.


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  On 6/15/2024 at 11:42 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:


I mean, yeah, I’m mostly joking here because it’s too early to be concerned but with our Injury history I don’t like what we did with our bigs.

Get this. We have an open scholarship. It’s allowed to be used. Maybe find a body that can play emergency spot minutes if god forbid we have 2 big guy injuries then **** really hits the fan.


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Correct

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  On 6/15/2024 at 11:42 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:


I mean, yeah, I’m mostly joking here because it’s too early to be concerned but with our Injury history I don’t like what we did with our bigs.

Get this. We have an open scholarship. It’s allowed to be used. Maybe find a body that can play emergency spot minutes if god forbid we have 2 big guy injuries then **** really hits the fan.


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Yeah, we could get a Jeremiah April that would sit on the bench and possibly play 17 minutes the entire year. Or a Tom Pritchard that could take a scholarship for four years but be a great teammate.  Yeah, having a 3rd stringer that would sit on the bench would give me a great confidence.  Especially after having our starter and another backup F/C out for whatever reason.  What a difference that would make in the season. 

But if the 3rd stringer went down...then where would we be?  Or a 4th stringer...?  

/snark

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  On 6/16/2024 at 10:33 AM, Dave from Dayton said:

Yeah, we could get a Jeremiah April that would sit on the bench and possibly play 17 minutes the entire year. Or a Tom Prichard that could take a scholarship for four years but be a great teammate.  Yeah, having a 3rd stringer that would sit on the bench would give me a great confidence.  Especially after having our starter and another backup F/C out for whatever reason.  What a difference that would make in the season. 

But if the 3rd stringer went down...then where would we be?  Or a 4th stringer...?  

/snark

Pritch!

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  On 6/15/2024 at 11:42 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:


I mean, yeah, I’m mostly joking here because it’s too early to be concerned but with our Injury history I don’t like what we did with our bigs.

Get this. We have an open scholarship. It’s allowed to be used. Maybe find a body that can play emergency spot minutes if god forbid we have 2 big guy injuries then **** really hits the fan.


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I agree it would be helpful but I don’t think we could attract a playable backup with the limited minutes we have to offer.  Right now we are at Ballo, MR and then Hatton.  Last year we had Sparks, who “on paper” looked like a great spot minute guy (and we were lucky to land an all-Mac player because he loved the idea of playing at IU) but he only played 2 minutes against Illinois when Ware was out injured. I assume Hatton could handle that.

It would be great if we could get another 5 that is good enough to fill-in in case of injury, and willing to spend most of the season sitting at the far end of the bench, but I don’t see who that would be.

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  On 6/16/2024 at 2:03 PM, DChoosier said:
I agree it would be helpful but I don’t think we could attract a playable backup with the limited minutes we have to offer.  Right now we are at Ballo, MR and then Hatton.  Last year we had Sparks, who “on paper” looked like a great spot minute guy (and we were lucky to land an all-Mac player because he loved the idea of playing at IU) but he only played 2 minutes against Illinois when Ware was out injured. I assume Hatton could handle that.

It would be great if we could get another 5 that is good enough to fill-in in case of injury, and willing to spend most of the season sitting at the far end of the bench, but I don’t see who that would be.

 

It’s all how you sell it. Tell yourself you can’t and you won’t. Purdue for example has 2 seven footers and Kaufman might be their starting 5. I’ve used the example of Bidunga at Kansas before but he’ll be lucky to get 10 minutes.

 

You sell a developmental spot AT Indiana with NIL, some of the best training, facilities in the nation and get a young talented kid as a backup option. It’s not a 4 year deal. If they bolt bolt the following year, who cares.

 

Lots of kids would say yes to that if framed correctly. At this point? Idk. But in the transfer portal or freshman class for sure.

 

 

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  On 6/16/2024 at 3:59 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

It’s all how you sell it. Tell yourself you can’t and you won’t. Purdue for example has 2 seven footers and Kaufman might be their starting 5. I’ve used the example of Bidunga at Kansas before but he’ll be lucky to get 10 minutes.

 

You sell a developmental spot AT Indiana with NIL, some of the best training, facilities in the nation and get a young talented kid as a backup option. It’s not a 4 year deal. If they bolt bolt the following year, who cares.

 

Lots of kids would say yes to that if framed correctly. At this point? Idk. But in the transfer portal or freshman class for sure.

 

 

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Not going to happen.  We might be lucky to land a JC guy but probably not this late in the process 

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  On 6/16/2024 at 3:59 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

It’s all how you sell it. Tell yourself you can’t and you won’t. Purdue for example has 2 seven footers and Kaufman might be their starting 5. I’ve used the example of Bidunga at Kansas before but he’ll be lucky to get 10 minutes.

 

You sell a developmental spot AT Indiana with NIL, some of the best training, facilities in the nation and get a young talented kid as a backup option. It’s not a 4 year deal. If they bolt bolt the following year, who cares.

 

Lots of kids would say yes to that if framed correctly. At this point? Idk. But in the transfer portal or freshman class for sure.

 

 

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Kansas has Hunter, Bidunga and a bunch of guards and wings. Bidunga will get a lot more minutes than we have to offer (albeit not the amount of minutes 5* normally get),

I agree that we have a TON to sell but not sure it outweighs “enjoy the bench”. We will see. A serviceable big man would be great to get but I don’t see it.

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  On 6/16/2024 at 3:59 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

It’s all how you sell it. Tell yourself you can’t and you won’t. Purdue for example has 2 seven footers and Kaufman might be their starting 5. I’ve used the example of Bidunga at Kansas before but he’ll be lucky to get 10 minutes.

 

You sell a developmental spot AT Indiana with NIL, some of the best training, facilities in the nation and get a young talented kid as a backup option. It’s not a 4 year deal. If they bolt bolt the following year, who cares.

 

Lots of kids would say yes to that if framed correctly. At this point? Idk. But in the transfer portal or freshman class for sure.

 

 

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I think the extra point is the NIL amount. IU is spending heavy and already has to land the highest rated big in the portal plus a haul of stong players. The guy you’re selling to you’re actually buying, and the price has to be right. How much more is the program spending and what is reasonable to spend on a guy who won’t play much at all barring injury and then will bolt, and how much are other programs offering? 
program has deep pockets/ donors but they’re not bottomless and need to balance the spending with wants and needs for next season

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  On 6/16/2024 at 8:53 PM, DChoosier said:

Kansas has Hunter, Bidunga and a bunch of guards and wings. Bidunga will get a lot more minutes than we have to offer (albeit not the amount of minutes 5* normally get),

I agree that we have a TON to sell but not sure it outweighs “enjoy the bench”. We will see. A serviceable big man would be great to get but I don’t see it.

Different situation.

Bidunga is the clear second string big at KU.

Hatton is the third string 5 at IU. Any addition would be the fourth string.

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Hot take-- I think Flory is Hanner Perea made over. Maybe a little more advanced because he actually played real HS ball and not AAU/whatever BS LaLu is....  

Kid is not as good of an athlete as HP, better motor... but absolutely no left hand/ right shoulder moves... 

He doesn't shoot jump shots.. 

Absolutely no guard skills and he's 6'8/6'9. 

Cliff Emoryi, Bismack Biyumbo, etc. 

Just my thoughts

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  On 6/17/2024 at 12:45 PM, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Hot take-- I think Flory is Hanner Perea made over. Maybe a little more advanced because he actually played real HS ball and not AAU/whatever BS LaLu is....  

Kid is not as good of an athlete as HP, better motor... but absolutely no left hand/ right shoulder moves... 

He doesn't shoot jump shots.. 

Absolutely no guard skills and he's 6'8/6'9. 

Cliff Emoryi, Bismack Biyumbo, etc. 

Just my thoughts

I agree, I saw him in person at the state finals his junior year and didn't think he was a top 20 player

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  On 6/17/2024 at 12:45 PM, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Hot take-- I think Flory is Hanner Perea made over. Maybe a little more advanced because he actually played real HS ball and not AAU/whatever BS LaLu is....  

Kid is not as good of an athlete as HP, better motor... but absolutely no left hand/ right shoulder moves... 

He doesn't shoot jump shots.. 

Absolutely no guard skills and he's 6'8/6'9. 

Cliff Emoryi, Bismack Biyumbo, etc. 

Just my thoughts

This doesn't feel that hot take-y to me at all. I think he's better than Hanner because he's better laterally, he's got pretty good defensive instincts, he's got good enough hands and he really competes. Think his defense will play all day. But I don't see him becoming any more than a rim runner/finisher on offense. Hadn't thought of Biyombo, but that's about right. And, hey, that guy's hung around the League forever and made a bunch of money. If Bidunga does that, that's a freaking win.

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