IU Basketball News and Notes

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2 hours ago, str8baller said:

Archie was hamstrung because he sucked at coaching. Period. 
 

And everyone loved him and he won those offseason polls. I wouldn’t pay attention to them. Those polls are voted on by the likes of Mike Woodson and Fran and Crean and a bunch of other coaches who want to fill out media surveys. Literally worthless. 

Just as a total aside… I can’t think of a person who would be more excited to get a coaches survey in their inbox than Tom Crean.

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1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Thankfully just about a month left before they're playing games that count and we can base opinions off that rather than preseason polls and media speculation 

Preseason polls mean jacksh$t. 
couldn’t care less and what’s the point anyway— anyone who has actually followed DeVries’ coaching career can see he can coach, now it’s about how he builds the program, recruiting and portal.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,913]

Archie was hamstrung because he sucked at coaching. Period. 
 
And everyone loved him and he won those offseason polls. I wouldn’t pay attention to them. Those polls are voted on by the likes of Mike Woodson and Fran and Crean and a bunch of other coaches who want to fill out media surveys. Literally worthless. 

First comment just isn’t necessarily true. He was a good/great coach at Dayton. He was a really bad coach at Indiana. He’s been mostly bad at Rhode Island.

However, Indianas administration wasn’t allowing our athletic programs to compete on a level playing field to the SEC and the BlueBloods and some notable others that skirted rules. ((Arizona, Kansas and several others). Would Archie have had Sean results with a “grey” budget like Sean? Probably not. We had a better budget than a lot of B1G schools that still kicked our tail. That indicates it still might have been bad, but his ceiling is hamstrung if he can’t get top end talent.

And the second part? No. Parrish and Norlander call/reach out to the coaches they have relationships with. Maybe they suck. Maybe they are great. No indication they are Woodson, Fran, and Crean. Lol. Fran and Woodson are funny example because they would never participate in such a thing anyway.

Again, stated above. It’s just an interesting anecdote that 100 coaches were surveyed and these are the results. Read into it what you will. Even if it means nothing, and it basically does it’s still a glimpse into the minds of active college coaches.

Hopefully we get to laugh at all of them in 6 months.


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4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Fran and Woodson are funny example because they would never participate in such a thing anyway.

No coaches would. It gets handed off to a grad assistant. Same as their votes in the actual coaches poll.  

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9 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Preseason polls mean jacksh$t. 
couldn’t care less and what’s the point anyway— anyone who has actually followed DeVries’ coaching career can see he can coach, now it’s about how he builds the program, recruiting and portal.

Absolutely. My view in a nutshell... DDV was a big part of Creighton becoming what it is, from 2001-2018 with Altman and McDermott. Had very good success at Drake. WVU season was hampered with injuries but all things considered they were still solid and snubbed from the tournament. So he joins us with a year of learnings as a P5 HC. He's 50 years old. I think his best days as a coach are still ahead of him, looking forward to supporting his program. I like the way he carries himself and the preseason flow of events seems to have energized / re-engaged folks. 

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No coaches would. It gets handed off to a grad assistant. Same as their votes in the actual coaches poll.  

Do you listen to Parrish and Norlander? This just isn’t the case. In the coaches poll sure. Some of these off-season polls though are done personally as they will add in extras as they are communicating with said coach. Stuff they said without naming names. Assistant coaches, maybe a few head coaches. Parrish and Norlander are very close with a lot of these guys.


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Absolutely. My view in a nutshell... DDV was a big part of Creighton becoming what it is, from 2001-2018 with Altman and McDermott. Had very good success at Drake. WVU season was hampered with injuries but all things considered they were still solid and snubbed from the tournament. So he joins us with a year of learnings as a P5 HC. He's 50 years old. I think his best days as a coach are still ahead of him, looking forward to supporting his program. I like the way he carries himself and the preseason flow of events seems to have energized / re-engaged folks. 

I don’t disagree with ANY of this. I really like the guy. I’m going to support the program like I always do. Unless/until evidence becomes obvious we need to move on.

All this can be true, and a poll that names best coaching hires with college coaches and our guy isn’t in the top 9 listed is noteworthy from a surprise factor. That’s all.

The discussion could be interesting around why the dynamics are what they are that would have this happen when it seems he’s clearly a top 3-6 off-season hire.




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3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Do you listen to Parrish and Norlander?

lol….no. I couldn’t imagine a way to know anything less about what is going on than listening to the basketball media. 
 

Devries could suck…like I care. Same thing for 25 years going. I’m used to it. One thing I know for sure is someone named Norlander/Parrish will have zero idea of how it’s going to go down. 

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8 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

I don’t disagree with ANY of this. I really like the guy. I’m going to support the program like I always do. Unless/until evidence becomes obvious we need to move on.

All this can be true, and a poll that names best coaching hires with college coaches and our guy isn’t in the top 9 listed is noteworthy from a surprise factor. That’s all.

The discussion could be interesting around why the dynamics are what they are that would have this happen when it seems he’s clearly a top 3-6 off-season hire.




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For sure. I think it has a lot to do with his low key nature. Don't know anything about his relationships with other coaches across the conference/country, but he definitely gives the vibe of a guy who is all about ball / on the court stuff coming first. So I can see him being an afterthought for a lot of peers in such a poll + Indiana's lackluster brand over the past decade really. Luckily, I think a nose to the ground ball coach is the thing we need to get back to being a relevant program.

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lol….no. I couldn’t imagine a way to know anything less about what is going on than listening to the basketball media. 
 
Devries could suck…like I care. Same thing for 25 years going. I’m used to it. One thing I know for sure is someone named Norlander/Parrish will have zero idea of how it’s going to go down. 

And that’s the point. It’s not Parrish or Norlanders list. It’s 100 college coaches they talk to. They were asked to name the best off-season coach addition and why. Some might be survey, but many are done in conversation with them as they add extras. Some head coaches. Some assistant coaches.

IM NOT SAYING DEVRIES SUCKS. I LIKE DEVRIES. I THINK/Hope he surprises. This isn’t my list.

It was interesting because the results didn’t match my expectations. That was the point.

Pre season fodder. This time from coaches.


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lol….no. I couldn’t imagine a way to know anything less about what is going on than listening to the basketball media. 
 
Devries could suck…like I care. Same thing for 25 years going. I’m used to it. One thing I know for sure is someone named Norlander/Parrish will have zero idea of how it’s going to go down. 

On that note- Parrish is a bit of a bonehead and hates Indiana fans and can be emotional.

Norlander is a basketball encyclopedia and really knows his stuff and watches a lot of ball. I value his thoughts.

But this poll was college coaches. Ultimately, just preseason fodder.


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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Do you listen to Parrish and Norlander? This just isn’t the case. In the coaches poll sure. Some of these off-season polls though are done personally as they will add in extras as they are communicating with said coach. Stuff they said without naming names. Assistant coaches, maybe a few head coaches. Parrish and Norlander are very close with a lot of these guys.


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I try to listen to them but for the most part are morons especially Parrish.

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I would wonder how these hires were graded when they happened

Calhoun to UCONN

Hurley to UCONN

Coach K to Duke

Roy Williams to Kansas

Dean Smith to UNC

Ready to Purdue 

Not saying Devries will be a HOF coach but who gives a crap how other coaches feel about the hire