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[jk34 1,105]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

He doesn’t have to turn it around but there should be some improvement from the last guy that failed miserably. Especially when we didn’t really lose any contributors but supposedly added 3 guys that were supposed to be contributors. 

12-15 to 16-8 so far, is not "some" improvement?

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Us not getting to the tournament since 2016 isn’t his fault.  Those impatient fans will just have to jump ship and go cheer for someone else.  

More concerning is if we are not doing anything in three years time then it will be safe to say he isn't going to cut the mustard imo. It shouldn't take that long any how

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29 minutes ago, jk34 said:

12-15 to 16-8 so far, is not "some" improvement?

There are different layers to this. We have improved in some areas while falling back in others. For as much as our defense has improved from last season our offense has become that much more offensive.

Records, especially in the case of last season to this season, aren't apples to apples. We went 7-2 (?) noncon last season and 9-1 this season. The difference is a MUCH harder schedule last season, like by a lot. This season we had one of the worst noncon SOS in the country. I know the theme has been "that's a game Arch wouldn't have won" and that's true in some instances (purdoodoo). I don't know conference SOS year to year but we've been gifted a pretty easy conference schedule this season. I believe we had quite a few top 10 conference opponents last season. 

So yes, "some" improvement overall isn't that far fetched. Record wise, we've improved against a weaker schedule.

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2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Really think Stewart should start. His outside shooting is hands down legit and creates spacing. With Galloway starting the defense is improved along with ball movement (no, not as point), Kopp is not shooting at the level where defenses have to worry about him.

Side note, IIRC Knight did the same suspension thing to Woodson, it worked for him. Here? I think it was a ridiculous move at a really inopportune time. There are all sorts of ways to enforce team rules, for what was just not a very big deal (and why all of them were back after just 1 game), that fall short of risking our season by sitting them as a group. Really think that was a bad decision (I'm probably in the minority here, and that's fine, reasonable minds will differ). I guaranty you guys like Izzo would not have risked their season over that. Hopefully, we'll see a very locked in, intense game from our Hoosiers tomorrow.

I think the days of Parker starting are over.  He was starting for the reason you mentioned but his defense is well not good and that’s being kind.  Kopp is much better on defense and that’s hard to even type.  Plus he has been suspended or whatever twice.  Some may not like it but CMW values defense and following the rules above all and that’s not going to change.

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2 hours ago, HoosierX said:

Agree that Kopp needs to play better, but he provides things that aren't as obvious.  Leadership is one of them as he was definitely the most vocal player during the Northwestern game. He is also underrated as a weak side defender, he knows where he's supposed to be.

100%. His defense is underrated and he is very active.  Having been to several games he is vocal and he actually moves unlike another wing that was in the starting lineup that was recently suspended.

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1 hour ago, jk34 said:

12-15 to 16-8 so far, is not "some" improvement?

Archie had fewer cupcakes because of Covid let’s see how much improvement in big ten records there is 

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1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Us not getting to the tournament since 2016 isn’t his fault.  Those impatient fans will just have to jump ship and go cheer for someone else.  

Comments like this make my eyes roll to the back of my head. Those pesky Indiana fans for being impatient about not making the tournament since 2016! 

the 9th place position in the conference right now his fault or nah? Woodson has hired to fix things and right now we’re not looking any better than we did under the previous coach. Sorry, but the real blueblood don’t say things like “the coach needs three or four years first.” They go out and make things happen. Arizona fired their coach later than we did why they’re sitting at 22-2, #3 in the country. Meanwhile you’re talking about needing to be patient for the next few years. 

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32 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

There are different layers to this. We have improved in some areas while falling back in others. For as much as our defense has improved from last season our offense has become that much more offensive.

Records, especially in the case of last season to this season, aren't apples to apples. We went 7-2 (?) noncon last season and 9-1 this season. The difference is a MUCH harder schedule last season, like by a lot. This season we had one of the worst noncon SOS in the country. I know the theme has been "that's a game Arch wouldn't have won" and that's true in some instances (purdoodoo). I don't know conference SOS year to year but we've been gifted a pretty easy conference schedule this season. I believe we had quite a few top 10 conference opponents last season. 

So yes, "some" improvement overall isn't that far fetched. Record wise, we've improved against a weaker schedule.

We were actually 5-2 in non-conference last season.  We had four games against Pom top 100 in the non-conference and went 2-2.  This year we had three games against Pom top 100 and won two of them. The one loss was on the road in double OT.

The difference between our 12-15 record last year and to 16-8 this year isn't just 'schedule'....not by a long shot.  It's worth mentioning that IU had a losing record AT HOME in conference play last year.

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24 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I think the days of Parker starting are over.  He was starting for the reason you mentioned but his defense is well not good and that’s being kind.  Kopp is much better on defense and that’s hard to even type.  Plus he has been suspended or whatever twice.  Some may not like it but CMW values defense and following the rules above all and that’s not going to change.

It seems like he's checked out for the season. I hope not but it seems that way to me. Maybe he just never really bought in or is having other issues. Getting in trouble multiple times during a season isn't good, especially when you're talking about an older player who should be mature enough to avoid those actions.

At least earlier in the season he was hitting shots at a high percentage (when he would take them) but now he's stone cold. A player that doesn't look for his shot, doesn't hit when he actually takes one, and can't play defense shouldn't be starting. Especially when coupled with his other behavior which keeps getting him in trouble. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Comments like this make my eyes roll to the back of my head. Those pesky Indiana fans for being impatient about not making the tournament since 2016! 

the 9th place position in the conference right now his fault or nah? Woodson has hired to fix things and right now we’re not looking any better than we did under the previous coach. Sorry, but the real blueblood don’t say things like “the coach needs three or four years first.” They go out and make things happen. Arizona fired their coach later than we did why they’re sitting at 22-2, #3 in the country. Meanwhile you’re talking about needing to be patient for the next few years. 

The right coach can get things going in the right direction pretty quickly.  It doesn't take 3-4 years to judge that.

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19 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Archie had fewer cupcakes because of Covid let’s see how much improvement in big ten records there is 

If we win one more game our conference record is better than last year. 

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13 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Comments like this make my eyes roll to the back of my head. Those pesky Indiana fans for being impatient about not making the tournament since 2016! 

the 9th place position in the conference right now his fault or nah? Woodson has hired to fix things and right now we’re not looking any better than we did under the previous coach. Sorry, but the real blueblood don’t say things like “the coach needs three or four years first.” They go out and make things happen. Arizona fired their coach later than we did why they’re sitting at 22-2, #3 in the country. Meanwhile you’re talking about needing to be patient for the next few years. 

Arizona fire their coach for performance on the court or for off the court issues?   Arizona was a tourney team last year but wasn’t eligible.    Just me but comparing these 2 teams wouldn’t be a good comparison.    One coach took over a team that got the last coach fired for on court results and the other coach took over a team that fired their coach for off court issues. 

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Just now, JSHoosier said:

The right coach can get things going in the right direction pretty quickly.  It doesn't take 3-4 years to judge that.

Especially now with the transfer portal. If you don’t like your team, hit free agency and get a different one. That’s what Woody tried doing, along with getting a top 30 freshman, but it’s not working well for him to date. The top 25 has several teams with first-year head coaches in it. We’re just not one of them. 

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8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Arizona fire their coach for performance on the court or off the court issues?   Arizona was a tourney team last year but wasn’t eligible.    Just me but comparing these 2 teams wouldn’t be a good comparison.    One coach took over a team that got the last coach fired for on court results and the other coach took over a team that fired their coach for off court issues. 

They fired him for both reasons. They put up with him when he was winning big. They fired him when he stopped. 17-15,  21-11, and 17-9 the last few years. 29-27 conference record during that span. Better than IU has done, sure. But the gap between where they were then to where they are now is bigger than the gap between where we were with Archie and where we are now. As you’ve pointed out before, we would’ve been a tournament team in 2020. Arizona’s a 1 seed rn while we’re fighting for a tournament berth like we have been recently. 

But if you don’t like the Arizona comparison, how about Texas? They fired their coach for on court restore in the same offseason we did. They’re #20 in the country and ranked 4th in their conference. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

They fired him for both reasons. They put up with him when he was winning big. They fired him when he stopped. 17-15,  21-11, and 17-9 the last few years. 29-27 conference record during that span. Better than IU has done, sure. But the gap between where they were then to where they are now is bigger than the gap between where we were with Archie and where we are now. As you’ve pointed out before, we would’ve been a tournament team in 2020. Arizona’s a 1 seed rn while we’re fighting for a tournament berth like we have been recently. 

But if you don’t like the Arizona comparison, how about Texas? They fired their coach for on court restore in the same offseason we did. They’re #20 in the country and ranked 4th in their conference. 

Much better comparison then Arizona.   For all the top transfers Texas got and where they were projected they have under achieved to this point in the season but definitely a better comparison.    Iowa St, Oklahoma would be some others 

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12 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Much better comparison then Arizona.   For all the top transfers Texas got and where they were projected they have under achieved to this point in the season but definitely a better comparison.    Iowa St, Oklahoma would be some others 

Texas comparison is actually a really good comparison between teams 

both teams 2-6 on the road.  Both of their big wins are at home.   Both with 1 neutral court win.  IU’s conference record 7-7 and Texas 7-5.     

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1 hour ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I think the days of Parker starting are over.  He was starting for the reason you mentioned but his defense is well not good and that’s being kind.  Kopp is much better on defense and that’s hard to even type.  Plus he has been suspended or whatever twice.  Some may not like it but CMW values defense and following the rules above all and that’s not going to change.

You may be right — but it’s the wrong reason to start Kopp. His D is better than Stewart’s but he’s not bringing outside scoring, and that’s the primary reason he’a starting (along with vet leadership). Can’t win many without an outside game to open the floor and Kopp just isn’t bringing it. (Would love it if he turned around and exploded from deep, but he just hasn’t been doing that).
Imo, adding Galloway shores up the D, can afford to have Stew out there defensively (though we really miss Rob). Have to put up more points to win 

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1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

We were actually 5-2 in non-conference last season.  We had four games against Pom top 100 in the non-conference and went 2-2.  This year we had three games against Pom top 100 and won two of them. The one loss was on the road in double OT.

The difference between our 12-15 record last year and to 16-8 this year isn't just 'schedule'....not by a long shot.  It's worth mentioning that IU had a losing record AT HOME in conference play last year.

What is 'pick a cutoff that tries to back my point but fails miserable for 200, Alex'

2022 - @Syracuse (75), St. John's (85), N - Notre Dame (59)

2021 - @Florida St. (15), N - Providence (80), N - Texas (26), N - Stanford (57)

Yes, your Pom top 100 was so perfectly placed until you actually break it down. Par for the course.

2022 - noncon SOS - 333

2021 - noncon SOS - 72

Please, tell me how they're close because they're both under 333 or that they're both numbers.

I still haven't looked deep enough into the conference schedules but...

2022 - we've played 5 ranked conference opponents

2021 - we played 6 conference opponents ranked in the top 10

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5 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

He doesn’t have to turn it around but there should be some improvement from the last guy that failed miserably. Especially when we didn’t really lose any contributors but supposedly added 3 guys that were supposed to be contributors. 

Didn't we lose the 2nd and 3rd leading scorers; one of them the best on the team from 3?

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2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

They fired him for both reasons. They put up with him when he was winning big. They fired him when he stopped. 17-15,  21-11, and 17-9 the last few years. 29-27 conference record during that span. Better than IU has done, sure. But the gap between where they were then to where they are now is bigger than the gap between where we were with Archie and where we are now. As you’ve pointed out before, we would’ve been a tournament team in 2020. Arizona’s a 1 seed rn while we’re fighting for a tournament berth like we have been recently. 

But if you don’t like the Arizona comparison, how about Texas? They fired their coach for on court restore in the same offseason we did. They’re #20 in the country and ranked 4th in their conference. 

Texas isn't a fair comparison, they brought dipshit over from Texas Tech with a loaded recruiting magazine.