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[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

When the offense is worse with better players you're doing something wrong. Do you think we'll see more motion in the future? I don't. I think we'll try to get more talent and take advantage of individual match ups. That might work in other major conferences but I don't see that working too well in the Big 1.o.

Yes, I believe we will be playing more motion in the future once CMW can get his type of player in here.  That is someone who isn’t offensive challenged or 1-dimensional as I’ve described in other posts.  I just think that we have to have faith.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

4 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think the offense is the biggest problem.  We all would like to see more movement/motion.  I was hoping we would have a motion offense by now but I don’t think it’s going to happen and here is why.  We all agree we have a personnel problem.  This roster is poorly put together because we have way too many 1-dimensional players. To play a motion offense like Knight did, you have to have at least 4 players who can score from multiple places on the court and sometimes on the move, like with a shot fake and do a couple dribbles and pull up.  Who on this team can do that consistently?  Several have tried but haven’t been successful.  Of the 13 scholarship players, I would say a handful can do it in this team and some that can do that have trouble on the defensive end.  So that’s where we are with this team, as frustrating as it is!
 

 

The offense is a huge problem, not going to completely fix it with the current players but not playing to their strengths or doing the same thing is concerning.

The biggest problems are the e and e, listening to the coach, and all that jazz. That's a bigger concern than what we're doing/not doing on offense.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

4 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Yes, I believe we will be playing more motion in the future once CMW can get his type of player in here.  That is someone who isn’t offensive challenged or 1-dimensional as I’ve described in other posts.  I just think that we have to have faith.

There are some decent pieces coming in and Bates COULD potentially improve. The issue is they're young and it'll take time for them to develop, IF they develop. We'll also be missing a big piece in the middle that would allow them to do what they can do. Not having that piece to take the focus away will give us more problems.

[MikeRoberts 7,979]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

There are some decent pieces coming in and Bates COULD potentially improve. The issue is they're young and it'll take time for them to develop, IF they develop. We'll also be missing a big piece in the middle that would allow them to do what they can do. Not having that piece to take the focus away will give us more problems.

I’m finding it very hard to believe we have a shot at being better next year. We need a few guys to make HUGE leaps from this year to next. We just don’t have the pieces coming in next year to make the difference. MAYBE we improve at the PG position but that isn’t guaranteed at all. Easier said than done but we needed several immediate impact players. For those saying we can make up ground in the portal… sure if we land an Oscar T like Kentucky did but those are a needle in a haystack, the majority of transfers are Kopps and XJ’s that we’re average players from bad programs.

[Stuhoo 89,047]

12 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m finding it very hard to believe we have a shot at being better next year. We need a few guys to make HUGE leaps from this year to next. We just don’t have the pieces coming in next year to make the difference. MAYBE we improve at the PG position but that isn’t guaranteed at all. Easier said than done but we needed several immediate impact players. For those saying we can make up ground in the portal… sure if we land an Oscar T like Kentucky did but those are a needle in a haystack, the majority of transfers are Kopps and XJ’s that we’re average players from bad programs.

If you assume a worst case scenario I think you’re being unrealistic.

If you assume only a best case scenario you’re also being unrealistic 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m finding it very hard to believe we have a shot at being better next year. We need a few guys to make HUGE leaps from this year to next. We just don’t have the pieces coming in next year to make the difference. MAYBE we improve at the PG position but that isn’t guaranteed at all. Easier said than done but we needed several immediate impact players. For those saying we can make up ground in the portal… sure if we land an Oscar T like Kentucky did but those are a needle in a haystack, the majority of transfers are Kopps and XJ’s that we’re average players from bad programs.

It'll be even more difficult if we're not better next season. Again, it won't be as much about the W/Ls but what the players put in during the off-season, how they're being used, and if they're improving. We should have been doing those things this season but... here we are.

There are transfers that could make an impact. There are a few in the Big 1.o that have done some good things. Auburn has several, puke has several, etc. I won't bring the term back up because some don't like it the term but we need to get players that are hungry and play that way.

[Uspshoosier 54,220]

14 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m finding it very hard to believe we have a shot at being better next year. We need a few guys to make HUGE leaps from this year to next. We just don’t have the pieces coming in next year to make the difference. MAYBE we improve at the PG position but that isn’t guaranteed at all. Easier said than done but we needed several immediate impact players. For those saying we can make up ground in the portal… sure if we land an Oscar T like Kentucky did but those are a needle in a haystack, the majority of transfers are Kopps and XJ’s that we’re average players from bad programs.

The portal is the ultimate spin the wheel and see what you get.    Texas got all the supposedly top ranked transfers out of the portal and they really haven’t lived up to the hype while Auburn took a role player from Georgia and another from a mid major and those 2 have been a big reason why they are successful.   Pearl was asked how they would be before the season and he even said his guard play would be suspect because he didn’t know what he had.   Once they started playing he stuck gold in the portal.     I would caution all fans not just IU fans to wait and see how a player responds from the portal.   He might be the difference maker or he might not make a difference at all 

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

57 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

There are some decent pieces coming in and Bates COULD potentially improve. The issue is they're young and it'll take time for them to develop, IF they develop. We'll also be missing a big piece in the middle that would allow them to do what they can do. Not having that piece to take the focus away will give us more problems.

Bates is one of handful that is a multi-dimensional player as I think Schifino and Banks are by some of the highlights that I’ve seen.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

The offense is a huge problem, not going to completely fix it with the current players but not playing to their strengths or doing the same thing is concerning.

The biggest problems are the e and e, listening to the coach, and all that jazz. That's a bigger concern than what we're doing/not doing on offense.

That part is perplexing, CMW not developing an offense to utilize some of the players strengths.  It is a wonder what screen 45 would do right now for our offense.

[MikeRoberts 7,979]

36 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The portal is the ultimate spin the wheel and see what you get.    Texas got all the supposedly top ranked transfers out of the portal and they really haven’t lived up to the hype while Auburn took a role player from Georgia and another from a mid major and those 2 have been a big reason why they are successful.   Pearl was asked how they would be before the season and he even said his guard play would be suspect because he didn’t know what he had.   Once they started playing he stuck gold in the portal.     I would caution all fans not just IU fans to wait and see how a player responds from the portal.   He might be the difference maker or he might not make a difference at all 

Of course, some teams benefited from the portal, Kentucky and Auburn being two good examples. 
what I would say about those two is that they both already had some really good pieces and they used the portal to complement those.

I know we attempted to do that but it’s been pretty meh, if we are being honest

we just have too many gaps to fill for next season

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

31 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Of course, some teams benefited from the portal, Kentucky and Auburn being two good examples. 
what I would say about those two is that they both already had some really good pieces and they used the portal to complement those.

I know we attempted to do that but it’s been pretty meh, if we are being honest

we just have too many gaps to fill for next season

And we only had a few decent pieces not many good pieces.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

41 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Bates is one of handful that is a multi-dimensional player as I think Schifino and Banks are by some of the highlights that I’ve seen.

JHS will need to develop a consistent jumper, like so many others. Bates will need to put in a lot of work to get to the level we'll need him to be. Only time will tell. Something will have to drastically change in our development process for us to be where we currently are this season.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

JHS will need to develop a consistent jumper, like so many others. Bates will need to put in a lot of work to get to the level we'll need him to be. Only time will tell. Something will have to drastically change in our development process for us to be where we currently are this season.

Bates reminds me a lot of a lefty Ricky Calloway, I think he’ll take a big step next year.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

I want to add that since the Nebraska game we are 3-4 and we won those games because of the supporting cast around TJD because he hasn’t been the same player since that game, when he got hurt!

I have faith that this team will respond and turn it around.

[MikeRoberts 7,979]

11 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I want to add that since the Nebraska game we are 3-4 and we won those games because of the supporting cast around TJD because he hasn’t been the same player since that game, when he got hurt!

I have faith that this team will respond and turn it around.

I have love for IU but zero faith. Too much has gone wrong with this program over the last 20 years to have faith.

 

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I have love for IU but zero faith. Too much has gone wrong with this program over the last 20 years to have faith.

 

I get that, and very understanding.  I think we all feel that way but that is why the culture has to change, we need to break the cycle.  Let me state it another way, I have faith in CMW and staff to guide this team to turn this thing around and that starts with Wisky coming into our house!

I say this, Wisconsin is a must win for many reasons!

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I get that, and very understanding.  I think we all feel that way but that is why the culture has to change, we need to break the cycle.  Let me state it another way, I have faith in CMW and staff to guide this team to turn this thing around and that starts with Wisky coming into our house!

I say this, Wisconsin is a must win for many reasons!

I would love to see us "turn this thing around" against Wiscy. It didn't get this way in one game and it's not going to somehow change in one game. We've created a ton of opportunities for us to turn this around through dumb decisions and we remain largely the same. Something about doing things over and over and expecting different results.

One thing I didn't expect to see under Woody and Co. was that e and e would be optional. This is absolutely something you can control in your first season. It seems as though this was some type of compromise and maybe the suspensions had a bit to do with this. The entire team should have a baseline of something similar to Race, Gallo, and X.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

10 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I would love to see us "turn this thing around" against Wiscy. It didn't get this way in one game and it's not going to somehow change in one game. We've created a ton of opportunities for us to turn this around through dumb decisions and we remain largely the same. Something about doing things over and over and expecting different results.

One thing I didn't expect to see under Woody and Co. was that e and e would be optional. This is absolutely something you can control in your first season. It seems as though this was some type of compromise and maybe the suspensions had a bit to do with this. The entire team should have a baseline of something similar to Race, Gallo, and X.

Definition of insanity, I get it.  The starting lineup is prime example, but I trust the reasons why. He hasn’t finished his 1st full year yet and there are many questioning his decisions instead of trusting that there is a method to his madness!  Let’s let the season play out and then see what happens going into next season.  I know he coached in the NBA but I think he still has a lot to learn when it comes to the college game as a head coach 

[IU Scott 2,375]

5 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m finding it very hard to believe we have a shot at being better next year. We need a few guys to make HUGE leaps from this year to next. We just don’t have the pieces coming in next year to make the difference. MAYBE we improve at the PG position but that isn’t guaranteed at all. Easier said than done but we needed several immediate impact players. For those saying we can make up ground in the portal… sure if we land an Oscar T like Kentucky did but those are a needle in a haystack, the majority of transfers are Kopps and XJ’s that we’re average players from bad programs.

I know it probably is different but everybody was picking UW 10th this year after losing 4 of their top 5 players.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Definition of insanity, I get it.  The starting lineup is prime example, but I trust the reasons why. He hasn’t finished his 1st full year yet and there are many questioning his decisions instead of trusting that there is a method to his madness!  Let’s let the season play out and then see what happens going into next season.  I know he coached in the NBA but I think he still has a lot to learn when it comes to the college game as a head coach 

Yes, it was obvious for awhile that the starting lineup was putting us in a hole for both halves. It took a suspension to change that!! It was like poor/lazy ball was being rewarded, although I'm not sure Woody can do much with it considering his offense has players just standing around.

It started out that we couldn't comment about e and e and the concern the offense struggle because it was only 6-8 games in. We had to wait at least 14ish (?) games before we post any critiques. When we saw the same things it was another excuse and some made up time frame. Rinse and repeat. I'm sure there is a process. Is it good enough, quick enough to get us any stability? Does that process involve baseline e and e? Do we just wait until we finally get some players or recruits that don't like being just mediocre?

He might have a lot to learn but doesn't have much time. If we're waiting for him to learn we're in quite a bit of trouble.