(2024) - SF Bryson Tucker to Washington via Portal

[Pagoda]

23 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I very much disagree with the "toxic" narrative about MM. 

Agree on everything else. I think they'd all do better with a real coach. So we will just get more evidence throughout the year exactly how awful Mike Woodson was. Thank goodness he is gone! 

No problem not seeing eye to eye on MM.  Just passing along some things I've heard from people around the program.  Stuhoo's description is probably better than mine ("toxic" might be a bit much).  The right coach and team can probably get him on track.

It will be a bit annoying we'll have fairly constant discussion on former players doing well, plus "analysis" of all the coaches we "could" have hired.  Good news is I'm pretty confident CDD won't care about any of that and I think he's a good coach who will ultimately succeed here.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

The good news is... we can watch from afar and see how he does at Texas A&M this year. I am willing to bet he performs quite well for Bucky. 

I don't hold any ill will towards him and hope he does have a solid year.  But I don't think he'd be a fit with the culture DDV clearly wants on his roster.  There were enough red flags at IU.

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

The good news is... we can watch from afar and see how he does at Texas A&M this year. I am willing to bet he performs quite well for Bucky. 

I'm a Bucky fan and Mgbako would seem to be a really good fit for Buckyball.

But there's a problem for Mgbako and A&M, who likely spent a ton of their NIL budget on Mgbako; he had surgery for a Jones foot fracture in September. The news articles say that he's expected back by late November, but my understanding is that Jones fractures can be extended recovery period injuries. EDIT: Jones fractures with surgery are estimated 3-6 month recovery minimum. 

Because of the injury Mgbako isn't working on his handle and motor/conditioning, both of which need marked improvement. His tenure at A&M has all the current markings of a very expensive whiff.

[AZ Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

No problem not seeing eye to eye on MM.  Just passing along some things I've heard around the program.  Stuhoo's description is probably better than mine ("toxic" might be a bit much).  The right coach and team can probably get him on track.

It will be a bit annoying we'll have fairly constant discussion on former players doing well, plus "analysis" of all the coaches we "could" have hired.  Good news is I'm pretty confident CDD won't care about any of that and I think he's a good coach who will ultimately succeed here.

The list of guys who left and were productive in other programs is long. Guys like Banks and Bates are good examples. Woodson was a horrible coach who stifled the development of many young men. But he did pay them well.

[str8baller]

20 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

MR I don't really have an issue with.  Though he's not much of a fit for CDD's offense and he may have irreversible Woody-itis after three years here.  Fine to see him go.

Surrounding him with 4 shooters like we have would either lead to him scoring 20ppg or a bunch of open shots on the perimeter (assuming the new staff could teach him to read the double team).  Almost every team in the B1G had to double him in the post.
 

I like Reneau and wish a guy like him could’ve stayed, but I fully support the staff getting the guys they wanted in here.

 

Also, until further evidence I’m chalking up any attitude/effort issues with guys like Tucker and Mbako to the lack of coaching from the old staff. Several of us have pointed out all offseason that some of these guys are players and it’s going to be a little bittersweet seeing them succeed other places.  Most of those guys weren’t a “Lander situation.” 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'm a Bucky fan and Mgbako would seem to be a really good fit for Buckyball.

But there's a problem for Mgbako and A&M, who likely spent a ton of their NIL budget on Mgbako; he had surgery for a Jones foot fracture in September. The news articles say that he's expected back by late November, but my understanding is that Jones fractures can be extended recovery period injuries. EDIT: Jones fractures with surgery are estimated 3-6 month recovery minimum. 

Because of the injury Mgbako isn't working on his handle and motor/conditioning, both of which need marked improvement. His tenure at A&M has all the current markings of a very expensive whiff.

Isn't a Jones fracture and surgery that's kept Dorn out for far longer than 2-3 months?

[Stuhoo]

37 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Isn't a Jones fracture and surgery that's kept Dorn out for far longer than 2-3 months?

Yes. No two people's injuries and recovery time are the same, but yes.

[jermhoosierfan]

45 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Yes. No two people's injuries and recovery time are the same, but yes.

It doesn't help that there isn't a whole lot of blood movement from what I was told by an Ortho Dr when I cracked a bone in my foot 4 years ago.  I still feel that bone sometimes when it gets cold.  Youth is their friend when it comes that injury.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Our current team with Reneau and Tucker would have such a higher ceiling.  Bummer it wasn’t the vision.  But new culture means something and you just never know how things would go.  Reneau was always so underrated by Indiana fans.  Similar to how TJD was treated until his breakout.  
 

Say for example, sub them for Ristic/Ancimovic. 
 

Oh well.  We roll.  Let’s see what happpens.
 

Ristic might be something eventually.  Idk.  
 

Maybe DeVries will eventually “Moren” me. With IUWBB I’m a “Trust in Moren”.  I haven’t been that way with an Indiana basketball coach ever in my adult lifetime.  I want that kinda faith back. 

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Say for example, sub them for Ristic/Ancimovic. 

I think it’s more likely you’re subbing them for guys like Enright and Bailey. That’s an interesting team. But if you don’t get complete buy in on both ends of the floor, your floor suddenly becomes lower even if you raise the ceiling a bit. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just now, str8baller said:

I think it’s more likely you’re subbing them for guys like Enright and Bailey. That’s an interesting team. But if you don’t get complete buy in on both ends of the floor, your floor suddenly becomes lower even if you raise the ceiling a bit. 

I don’t see it as those 2.  Reneau would be 4/5. We’d have 3 bigs that could all play the 4/5.  30 min, 30 min, 20 min. 
 

Tucker is a 2/3.  Similar to Ristic.  He wouldn’t get the minutes he’d want though.  DeVries would be our 3 in my lineup and play 30.  Wilkerson would be our 2 and play 30. That leaves maybe 20 for Tucker.  
 

Thats how I’d roster build at least.  Enright would be a backup PG for Conerway. 

[Napleshoosier]

27 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Our current team with Reneau and Tucker would have such a higher ceiling.  Bummer it wasn’t the vision.  But new culture means something and you just never know how things would go.  Reneau was always so underrated by Indiana fans.  Similar to how TJD was treated until his breakout.  
 

Say for example, sub them for Ristic/Ancimovic. 
 

Oh well.  We roll.  Let’s see what happpens.
 

Ristic might be something eventually.  Idk.  
 

Maybe DeVries will eventually “Moren” me. With IUWBB I’m a “Trust in Moren”.  I haven’t been that way with an Indiana basketball coach ever in my adult lifetime.  I want that kinda faith back. 

They wanted off the ship.  Used goods anyway!

[WayneFleekHoosier]

They wanted off the ship.  Used goods anyway!

No doubt. Running with hypotheticals.


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[Scotty R]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Our current team with Reneau and Tucker would have such a higher ceiling.  Bummer it wasn’t the vision.  But new culture means something and you just never know how things would go.  Reneau was always so underrated by Indiana fans.  Similar to how TJD was treated until his breakout.  
 

Say for example, sub them for Ristic/Ancimovic. 
 

Oh well.  We roll.  Let’s see what happpens.
 

Ristic might be something eventually.  Idk.  
 

Maybe DeVries will eventually “Moren” me. With IUWBB I’m a “Trust in Moren”.  I haven’t been that way with an Indiana basketball coach ever in my adult lifetime.  I want that kinda faith back. 

I don't see Reneau fitting I to this offense at all. The ball always stopped when he received the ball and I don't see that fitting into this offense 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I don't see Reneau fitting I to this offense at all. The ball always stopped when he received the ball and I don't see that fitting into this offense 

1 word. Coaching.  

[AZ Hoosier]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

1 word. Coaching.  

That implies "coachable". Don't think he was. More like a bull with a basketball, IMO.

[Scotty R]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

1 word. Coaching.  v

I disagree because his skill set doesn't fit with this offense. He wants to back his defender down with the dribble which slows the offense down. He isn't a great passer which is needed from the bigs in this offense 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I disagree because his skill set doesn't fit with this offense. He wants to back his defender down with the dribble which slows the offense down. He isn't a great passer which is needed from the bigs in this offense 
 

Agree to disagree. Watch him on Miami this year. Watch him at Montverde on loaded teams. He’s been mislabeled because he was trying to carry the load on poor constructed teams with awful spacing. I also think he’s a coachable kid. Consider what the prior staff was trying to do. Not a fair judgement. And a good kid.


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[go iu bb]

33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Agree to disagree. Watch him on Miami this year. Watch him at Montverde on loaded teams. He’s been mislabeled because he was trying to carry the load on poor constructed teams with awful spacing. I also think he’s a coachable kid. Consider what the prior staff was trying to do. Not a fair judgement. And a good kid.


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I agree. In the last 2 years, he averaged 2.7 and 2.0 assists per game. This year he has 7 assists through 2 games (3.5/game). He is a willing passer. I think he had bad coaching on bad teams with a poor offensive philosophy.

That said, I wasn't and I'm still not sad that he's gone after 3 years of Woodson "coaching."

[go iu bb]

33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Agree to disagree. Watch him on Miami this year. Watch him at Montverde on loaded teams. He’s been mislabeled because he was trying to carry the load on poor constructed teams with awful spacing. I also think he’s a coachable kid. Consider what the prior staff was trying to do. Not a fair judgement. And a good kid.


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I agree. In the last 2 years, he averaged 2.7 and 2.0 assists per game. This year he has 7 assists through 2 games (3.5/game). He is a willing passer. I think he had bad coaching on bad teams with a poor offensive philosophy.

That said, I wasn't and I'm still not sad that he's gone after 3 years of Woodson "coaching."