Ooooook who’s your # 2?

[TadQueasy 1,050]

1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

Bc he wasn’t able to win at a much smaller program with absolutely zero pressure. Archie had an exponentially better resume than fife. You think he can out recruit and out coach the guys in this league? I don’t. 

Actually I think he would do just fine.  I would be more worried about his coaching experience if it were not for his time next to Izzo. There is a reason some think he will take over Sparty when it’s time. That don’t sound terrible to me. 

[HoosierTrav 7,956]

Just now, TadQueasy said:

Actually I think he would do just fine.  I would be more worried about his coaching experience if it were not for his time next to Izzo. There is a reason some think he will take over Sparty when it’s time. That don’t sound terrible to me. 

Your entitled to your opinion. But the fact is that there is nothing in his resume to suggest that he would succeed at Indiana, which is a much more difficult place to win than anywhere he’s been. Half the fan base would clock out for good if he was named. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,661]

8 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Exactly. And Mike Woodson is plenty smart enough to realize he’ll need some young recruiting energy.

And that's the biggest issue for me should we go with Woodson --  who will be on his staff.   IMO Juwan Howard nailed it by adding Phil Martelli with his connections to the college world of rules/recruiting/kissing AAU butts, etc.  Again, IMO Woodson would need the same quality of hire on his staff and we can't just assume Roberts and Hunter stick around or that Woody would even want them to stick around.  

[Hoosierfan2017 22,414]

I want an elite hire because I want IU to be an elite program. I have a feeling this hire is going to be a harsh reminder that we aren’t an elite program, or anything close to one. 

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1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And that's the biggest issue for me should we go with Woodson --  who will be on his staff.   IMO Juwan Howard nailed it by adding Phil Martelli with his connections to the college world of rules/recruiting/kissing AAU butts, etc.  Again, IMO Woodson would need the same quality of hire on his staff and we can't just assume Roberts and Hunter stick around or that Woody would even want them to stick around.  

Yeah, at this point in his career Woodson is much closer to the Martelli role as a mentor  than he is to the Howard role.

[TadQueasy 1,050]

4 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Your entitled to your opinion. But the fact is that there is nothing in his resume to suggest that he would succeed at Indiana, which is a much more difficult place to win than anywhere he’s been. Half the fan base would clock out for good if he was named. 

The half the fan base stuff is way over blown. Aside from Stevens no matter who they hire some are going to be mad and threaten to abandon ship.  But we all know that isn’t happening and for the few who maybe do a few wins and they will be right back. 

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23 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

So, many on here want another ...

Mike Davis

Kelvin Sampson

Tom Crean

Archie Miller

Instead of an Indiana guy.
How’d that workout.

Btw- have you seen Justin Smith at Arkansas?
Court is the same size.
Rim is the same height.
What changed?


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Some keep repeating this but his stats barely changed.  He is finishing the season strong as a senior that has started almost every game in his career should.  

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7 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

The half the fan base stuff is way over blown. Aside from Stevens no matter who they hire some are going to be mad and threaten to abandon ship.  But we all know that isn’t happening and for the few who maybe do a few wins and they will be right back. 

I think you have grossly underestimated the level of apathy this fanbase has reached. It’s at an unprecedented level. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,414]

9 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

The half the fan base stuff is way over blown. Aside from Stevens no matter who they hire some are going to be mad and threaten to abandon ship.  But we all know that isn’t happening and for the few who maybe do a few wins and they will be right back. 

No one would abandon ship if IU hired Chris Beard, Nate Oats, Scott Drew, etc. Hire an elite college coach and the fans will be happy. But buying out Archie to hire a soon to be 63 year old former mediocre NBA head coach? That is how you get fans to abandon ship. Our fans would groan, and opposing fans would laugh at us. Doing that doesn’t even begin to make sense, so I refuse to believe that it’s a possibility. 

[ap2345 9,049]

Woodson’s name surfaced like this 4 years ago. It’s the same thing all over again. Hopefully this time with a better end result.

[Notithatlives 93]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And that's the biggest issue for me should we go with Woodson --  who will be on his staff.   IMO Juwan Howard nailed it by adding Phil Martelli with his connections to the college world of rules/recruiting/kissing AAU butts, etc.  Again, IMO Woodson would need the same quality of hire on his staff and we can't just assume Roberts and Hunter stick around or that Woody would even want them to stick around.  

Are you saying Phil Marteli is to blame for Michigan's recruiting success?  

 

[Josh 12,777]

For those of you saying that you'll give up on IU if they hire a coach you don't like...stop it.  No you won't.

Four years ago I knew the one candidate who would be terrible was Archie Miller.  I'm still a fan.  Treesh hated it so much he said he was done.  Now he's Archie's biggest fan. 

You're not quitting IU basketball if we hire the guy you don't want.  It's ingrained in your soul.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,414]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

For those of you saying that you'll give up on IU if they hire a coach you don't like...stop it.  No you won't.

Four years ago I knew the one candidate who would be terrible was Archie Miller.  I'm still a fan.  Treesh hated it so much he said he was done.  Now he's Archie's biggest fan. 

You're not quitting IU basketball if we hire the guy you don't want.  It's ingrained in your soul.

My interest in IU basketball was at an all-time low this past season. I watched fewer games this year than I ever have since I became a fan. Make a hire like Woodson and my interest drops even more. Probably more than a fifth Archie season would have dropped it, because at least in that scenario there would’ve been light at the end of the tunnel. There are too many things out there to do to waste my time on a bad basketball program. 

[Gnet550 940]

Here’s a thought:...

how about Chaney with Hunter, Lewis, Fife, and Roberts as assistants...

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46 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

So, many on here want another ...

Mike Davis

Kelvin Sampson

Tom Crean

Archie Miller

Instead of an Indiana guy.
How’d that workout.

Btw- have you seen Justin Smith at Arkansas?
Court is the same size.
Rim is the same height.
What changed?


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Usually avoid the IU guy convo like the plague. It’s as pointless as arguing about abortion. But somehow ya got me, so I gotta get into this for a second. Couple of things: 1) Smith is absolutely playing better at Arkansas, stats aside. It’s a better system for him and Musselman is a better coach. That seems more like an argument for the best coach than for an IU guy. 2) Compare RMK’s, who by the way wasn’t an IU guy,  last 6 years with Crean’s. One of them won Conf championships and went to sweet 16’s and one of them didn’t. 3) If there was a single IU guy that didn’t require ya to stretch your hiring criterion beyond recognition, they’d already have the job. But there isn’t. You don’t think Dolson wouldn’t sell his mother for a great IU guy candidate?  But there isn’t. Other than the 2 UNC guys, how many other schools have stuck to their own coaching tree successfully? I can’t think of another one, though I think Duke’s gonna try with Scheyer. But IU doesn’t have a Scheyer.

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3 minutes ago, Gnet550 said:

Here’s a thought:...

how about Chaney with Hunter, Lewis, Fife, and Roberts as assistants...

That’s fine but what makes you think that Cheaney should be the head coach of the group. I don’t see that many IU guys on the staff.

[mdiu28 1,993]

1 hour ago, Whoozhers said:

1. Indiana guy.

2. Indiana guy.

3. Indiana guy.

4. Indiana guy.

5. Indiana guy.

That’s my top 5.
In that order.
Nothing else to consider.


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Why?

There is NO "IU guy" that is worthy of the job right now. No one. 

Why do some people think a coach (who went to IU) will all of a sudden become great when they get back to Bloomington? There's a reason all "IU guys" are either unemployed, not coaching, been fired recently, or are assistants - outside of Alford they aren't good enough to get a head job - so what - IU just gives them one of the best, highest profile jobs there is hoping it works out? Come on. 

No one on here would even know who Alford, Fife, Cheaney, etc are had they not gone to IU. 

Put an IU guy on the bench as an assistant. That's it. 

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3 hours ago, IndyFife said:

Terrible?!?  Energy and charisma and took on an impossible job with IPFW and has now studied under a master for years.  He may not be the right guy but he’s far from terrible.

I have to say the "studied under a master line" rings hollow to me.  How many of RMK's assistants at IU ever did anything as head coaches?

[NashvilleHoosier 3,740]

49 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

Lol!
It can be Alford. To turn the reins over now to someone without Hoosier roots is ludicrous. Period.


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What’s 10 time more ludicrous is making “Hoosier roots” or “Indiana guy” the first and only requirement.

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Too many anti IU roots posters on here. Must be from PU not wanting to show up Painter.
Sad.


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