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9 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

The guys Dan cries and whines about were at IU 20,30,40 years ago. UK players stuck around back then and UNC may or may not have had classes back then.

True.  Crazy to think Fife was about 20 years ago.

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24 minutes ago, Dizz said:

Agreed, if its down to Moser (unless maybe he wins it all), just go with Lewis or Fife

Dizz, this is not aimed at you specifically but in general at the discussion regarding Moser.  He was a slow starter in his career but he's figured out how to win...he grasps his own strengths and weaknesses and continues to make adjustments over time.  Anyone citing his earlier years or his full career record is missing the point with this guy.  He's a very good coach today and has been for four years now.  Four years is not a fluke.  If he'd had the same level of talent for those two years in between his final four and today, he'd have made runs then too.  His pace is slow but the offense is much smoother than Miller's, even Bennet's.  My wife, who half-heartedly watches hoops on occasion, has used the word "beautiful" at times to describe some of his plays and she's not wrong.

Is Moser the right fit for IU?  I dunno...his style does not fit what Dolson described.  But some of the critics I've seen on this board are flat out wrong.  He's going to get a power five job and I believe he'll be very successful.  

 

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7 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

Can you explain to me this anti-slow ball/ pro-tempo thing?

Past 5 champions

2019- Virginia- AdjT: 353

2018- Villanova- AdjT: 150

2017- Gonzaga- AdjT: 76

2016- Villanova- AdjT: 274

2015- Kentucky- AdjT: 274

AVG Adjusted Tempo from 2015-2019 champions: 225

I guess I don't see a correlation between up-tempo and winning. I'm not against it, I just don't get why so many here seem to be pushing for it over- what appears to be- logic.

IF Gonzaga wins it this year they will certainly be the exception, not the rule.

Someone please explain...

North Carolina won in 2017 at 40 and Duke won in 2015 at 104. I think a lot of it is from Archies teams being so slow and being hard to watch so most people are weary of going that route again.

Looking at those numbers though it seems to me that if you play slow, you have to make a lot of 3s to be successful. I know Nova and UVA both took a high percentage of their shots from 3. I don’t think Moser’s teams take that many but I could be wrong.

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8 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Has he been right yet

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Considering nobody has been hired, nobody has been right on anything yet. Can't really be "right" if there's not an answer yet.

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Can you explain to me this anti-slow ball/ pro-tempo thing?
Past 5 champions
2019- Virginia- AdjT: 353
2018- Villanova- AdjT: 150
2017- Gonzaga- AdjT: 76
2016- Villanova- AdjT: 274
2015- Kentucky- AdjT: 274
AVG Adjusted Tempo from 2015-2019 champions: 225
I guess I don't see a correlation between up-tempo and winning. I'm not against it, I just don't get why so many here seem to be pushing for it over- what appears to be- logic.
IF Gonzaga wins it this year they will certainly be the exception, not the rule.
Someone please explain...

Most of the people pushing for it are NBA fans

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1 minute ago, hoosierpap said:

Can you explain to me this anti-slow ball/ pro-tempo thing?

Past 5 champions

2019- Virginia- AdjT: 353

2018- Villanova- AdjT: 150

2017- Gonzaga- AdjT: 76

2016- Villanova- AdjT: 274

2015- Kentucky- AdjT: 274

AVG Adjusted Tempo from 2015-2019 champions: 225

I guess I don't see a correlation between up-tempo and winning. I'm not against it, I just don't get why so many here seem to be pushing for it over- what appears to be- logic.

IF Gonzaga wins it this year they will certainly be the exception, not the rule.

Someone please explain...

I'm not opposed to a coach that plays good D and values the ball but just not Moser. Gonzaga didn't win it that year but I think they were in the finals so moot point.  I just want a coach that gets in year in year out. I also think you get better recruits playing a little more up tempo. Then when you teach them good defense, you're in a win win situation. 

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17 minutes ago, Moye > Boozer said:

I agree with you all that for us gasping-for-air Indiana diehards Moser is not the impact hire we're looking for but tell me that Illinois game wasn't fun to watch??? I get it was only 1 game!

Here's the true question, though:

Are we going to run a "top recruit" destination program (and are we willing to really "do what it takes" to bring those guys in --- history says no)

OR ........

Are we going to develop a program that can win with the 4 year over-achiever guys with the occasional superstar thrown in (like the Wisconsin teams that have been kicking the crap out of us for the last 20 years)???

I'd bet Dolson is struggling with that question more than just a little bit.

His ultimate hire will obviously tell us which direction he has chosen for the program. 

I know my personal preference, but I am okay with either because both really can work. 

 

How about both? Like Kansas and UNC. 

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Considering nobody has been hired, nobody has been right on anything yet. Can't really be "right" if there's not an answer yet.

Yet people are jumping off the cliff based on these tidbits

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6 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

Can you explain to me this anti-slow ball/ pro-tempo thing?

Past 5 champions

2019- Virginia- AdjT: 353

2018- Villanova- AdjT: 150

2017- Gonzaga- AdjT: 76

2016- Villanova- AdjT: 274

2015- Kentucky- AdjT: 274

AVG Adjusted Tempo from 2015-2019 champions: 225

I guess I don't see a correlation between up-tempo and winning. I'm not against it, I just don't get why so many here seem to be pushing for it over- what appears to be- logic.

IF Gonzaga wins it this year they will certainly be the exception, not the rule.

Someone please explain...

Well considering Duke won it in 2015 and UNC won in 2017... It's more on anti-running an offense at a sloths pace and trying not to score. 

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7 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

Can you explain to me this anti-slow ball/ pro-tempo thing?

Past 5 champions

2019- Virginia- AdjT: 353

2018- Villanova- AdjT: 150

2017- Gonzaga- AdjT: 76

2016- Villanova- AdjT: 274

2015- Kentucky- AdjT: 274

AVG Adjusted Tempo from 2015-2019 champions: 225

I guess I don't see a correlation between up-tempo and winning. I'm not against it, I just don't get why so many here seem to be pushing for it over- what appears to be- logic.

IF Gonzaga wins it this year they will certainly be the exception, not the rule.

Someone please explain...

I think many are conflating "up tempo" (which many want because it's exciting) and "Modern/NBA-style" (which is what Dolson has stated he wants).

"Modern" does not translate to fast, at least not entirely. In fact in the NBA offenses that are "too fast" like Mike D'Antoni's have tended to struggle. When I hear someone with real basketball knowledge talk about "NBA style," I hear shooting, 3-pointers, ball movement, and "small ball." Just because the NBA plays much faster than college does not mean that NBA style is "fast."

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22 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Take out Gonzaga and Few and Moser and Stevens only coach to take a mid major to a final 4 and another sweet 16.   Still has a chance to go to 2 final 4s at a mid major 

VCU and Smart in there with a mid-major to a final four correct?

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5 minutes ago, iuswingman said:

True.  Crazy to think Fife was about 20 years ago.

It is crazy. Time flies. Fife 19 years ago, Lewis 22 years ago, Alford 34 years ago, Woodson 41 years ago.....

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4 minutes ago, GreatMcCracken’sGhost said:

I think many are conflating "up tempo" (which many want because it's exciting) and "Modern/NBA-style" (which is what Dolson has stated he wants).

"Modern" does not translate to fast, at least not entirely. In fact in the NBA offenses that are "too fast" like Mike D'Antoni's have tended to struggle. When I hear someone with real basketball knowledge talk about "NBA style," I hear shooting, 3-pointers, ball movement, and "small ball." Just because the NBA plays much faster than college does not mean that NBA style is "fast."

No the NBA is definitely going more up tempo. I remember Nate Oats actually talking about this during a game but pacing in the NBA has been going up for years but the college game hasn’t been keeping up. Plus I’ve never thought of struggling on offense when it comes to Mike Dantoni. Here’s an article actually talking about how pacing is so high in the NBA now. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lineups.com/articles/why-nba-game-pace-is-at-historic-high/%3famp

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27 minutes ago, Magisterium said:

largely  agree; IMO the issue w/ Oats wouldn't be the buyout (or even any potential salary offer that Bama could match). I just get the feeling Oats doesn't want to leave Bama...yet.

That might change if UNC or Kentucky came calling, but for IU these days...tougher sell. Maybe Oats needs to have a heart-to-heart talk w/ his fellow Maranatha Baptist grad, Coach Tom Allen.

The parallels between Allen and Oats are pretty remarkable. Besides going to the same school, they both coached high school, before becoming NCAA assistants, then getting the nod for P5 jobs and succeeding at them. Hoping to add one more parallel, both coach at IU!

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

VCU and Smart in there with a mid-major to a final four correct?

Smart never had another sweet 16 at VCU.  Won a few first games.

but that run he had at VCU was really, really good.  Truth is that he was a hotter higher when he signed at Texas than Beard will be UC he signs.  

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Rabby saying that Creighton job could open today and go after Moser.

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Just now, brumdog45 said:

Smart never had another sweet 16 at VCU.  Won a few first games.

but that run he had at VCU was really, really good.  Truth is that he was a hotter higher when he signed at Texas than Beard will be UC he signs.  

oh, I miss read what @Uspshoosierwas saying. Yeah that makes sense

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7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

VCU and Smart in there with a mid-major to a final four correct?

Yep but never a follow up trip to the sweet 16 

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1 minute ago, Capt. Crimson said:

Rabby saying that Creighton job could open today and go after Moser.

Makes sense.