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[Hoosierfan2017 25,498]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

The only way they should be “100% on the same page” is if he and Archie both think he’s in over his head and needs to leave. If Dolson is telling the truth and not just saying that to quiet speculation then he’s part of the problem. 

[Chris007 62,637]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The only way they should be “100% on the same page” is if he and Archie both think he’s in over his head and needs to leave. If Dolson is telling the truth and not just saying that to quiet speculation then he’s part of the problem. 

He mentioned inconsistent several times. I thought to myself men's basketball hasn't been inconsistent, it's been pretty consistent the whole year

[NashvilleHoosier 3,923]

19 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

This is a very interesting line to use if he didn't say anything else. To my knowledge, Dolson hasn't yet come out with the dreaded public vote of confidence, right? Maybe I missed it. When he said this last night, did he add any words backing him to lead the program, or anything else expressing confidence in him? If he just left it that they are on the same page, it would seem there is an equal likelihood that they've already had the conversation and come to an amicable agreement. 

[HoosierRobbie 929]

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

Sounds like we are screwed.


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[Chris007 62,637]

Just now, NashvilleHoosier said:

This is a very interesting line to use if he didn't say anything else. To my knowledge, Dolson hasn't yet come out with the dreaded public vote of confidence, right? Maybe I missed it. When he said this last night, did he add any words backing him to lead the program, or anything else expressing confidence in him? If he just left it that they are on the same page, it would seem there is an equal likelihood that they've already had the conversation and come to an amicable agreement. 

I don't donate enough to be a part of this society. I'm just going off of what I have heard and read on other boards. He hasn't given him a vote of confidence. I also didn't expect him to come out and say he was going to fire him at the end of the year either. 

[IUrocker 2,532]

If Dolson was the main guy behind the workings of getting Bobby to come back and has the trust of all the big major alums, I don’t see how he can go on not seeing the sad state of the program and not want to make it better. He knows how successful IU basketball is supposed to be. You would think he’s got people in his ear everywhere saying Archie isn’t cutting it. He’s had 4 years and all have been losing conference seasons. How is one more year gonna be different? Sure he could bring in some transfers who he thinks can shoot, but didn’t he already bring guys who he thought could shoot and now they can’t?
 

I guess I’m just worried to have to sit through another season expecting to have this year’s results. Definitely not something to want to look forward to.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,923]

8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't donate enough to be a part of this society. I'm just going off of what I have heard and read on other boards. He hasn't given him a vote of confidence. I also didn't expect him to come out and say he was going to fire him at the end of the year either. 

Right, I would never expect him, or any AD, to come out saying they are firing their coach once the season is over. It's just interesting if he was on the topic and said they were on the same page but nothing else. It could mean a lot of things. But if they've talked and Dolson is already set on him coming back, it's a good opportunity to express more confidence in Archie leading the program than just saying they are on the same page. So if he didn't do that, it makes me think there is a good chance they page they are on is an amicable agreement to part ways. Of course, maybe it's just that I really want to believe that's the case. 

[HoosierFan1994 5,359]

54 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. 

This 100%. Especially Duke and UNC. 

[IUrocker 2,532]

I wonder if Dolson has that in mind at all and is completely aware of that possibility?...that if they wait to get rid of Archie, the coaches he has on his list could want to go to one of the other big schools that happen to open up instead of wanting to come to IU, and then he’s stuck with option 5. I don’t see how he could think a coach would want to say no now but yes next year. 

[HoosierFan1994 5,359]

51 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

If he actually said that, he's coming back. 

[Hoosierfan2017 25,498]

12 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Right, I would never expect him, or any AD, to come out saying they are firing their coach once the season is over. It's just interesting if he was on the topic and said they were on the same page but nothing else. It could mean a lot of things. But if they've talked and Dolson is already set on him coming back, it's a good opportunity to express more confidence in Archie leading the program than just saying they are on the same page. So if he didn't do that, it makes me think there is a good chance they page they are on is an amicable agreement to part ways. Of course, maybe it's just that I really want to believe that's the case. 

Maybe he’s already decided to bring him back, but he knows how pissed the fanbase will be so he’s waiting for a chance to bury it in the news cycle. 
 

I just don’t see how bringing him back could be anything but the absolute last resort if we can’t get anyone halfway good to take the job. We’ve finished 9th, T-10th, and T-10th in the conference the past three seasons. He’s 0-7 against Purdue. He has the worst recruiting class in the conference coming in next year. Bringing him back and repeating the last four years should be the last thing Dolson wants. 

[Trish 14,559]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Maybe he’s already decided to bring him back, but he knows how pissed the fanbase will be so he’s waiting for a chance to bury it in the news cycle. 
 

I just don’t see how bringing him back could be anything but the absolute last resort if we can’t get anyone halfway good to take the job. We’ve finished 9th, T-10th, and T-10th in the conference the past three seasons. He’s 0-7 against Purdue. He has the worst recruiting class in the conference coming in next year. Bringing him back and repeating the last four years should be the last thing Dolson wants. 

While the chances of us being good are slim, there is a chance we have a better roster.

- Transfers

-TJD staying

-Freshman improve

- Joey stays

- Race / Frank improve and Rob finds jesus.

Yeah I say it all the time but maybe it could happen. Nonetheless, a new coach probably wouldn't be walking into a completely terrible roster. There's some potential. Lots of If's! Archie hasn't earned the confidence of anyone and probably won't this summer if he's still here. Scott is probably doing some homework behind the scenes and if Archie is let go, then Scott has someone. 

[finky 298]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

I hope that 100% on the same page means they both agree a change has to be made.  Anything other than that is just crazy talk.

[Chris007 62,637]

I will say I think that Scott is doing what he is supposed to do. Raise the money in case he needs it, do the backchanneling to see whose interested, or talk to the agents of the coaches he is interested in, wait for the season to be over. If you get someone you want, then you are set ready to move forward. Now I think where some of us differ is I would have a list of 8-10 people I think could do better than Archie, Scott might just have a list of 2-3. Time will tell. 

[IUrocker 2,532]

I would also hope to think that Dolson is aware that if he got rid of Archie now, the new coach would be able to build the team he wants in a hurry because of the free transfer year. If he waits until next year, it’s gonna be a lot harder for a coach to build if he has to. I could see guys we have being more than willing to stay at IU for a new coach, and then if the new guy happens to need to bring anyone else in, it’s gonna be a heck of a lot easier to do it this year. 

[Hoosierfan2017 25,498]

16 minutes ago, Treesh said:

While the chances of us being good are slim, there is a chance we have a better roster.

- Transfers

-TJD staying

-Freshman improve

- Joey stays

- Race / Frank improve and Rob finds jesus.

Yeah I say it all the time but maybe it could happen. Nonetheless, a new coach probably wouldn't be walking into a completely terrible roster. There's some potential. Lots of If's! Archie hasn't earned the confidence of anyone and probably won't this summer if he's still here. Scott is probably doing some homework behind the scenes and if Archie is let go, then Scott has someone. 

TJD’s recent antics combined with his two-year then pro plan make it about a 0% chance that he’s back at IU next year, imo. Even if everything else you listed happens, I don’t see us being any better next year without TJD. He’s not a perfect player and his inability to shoot frustrates us, but he’s still carried us on his shoulders for most of the year. 
 

Heck, even if he does come back and everything you said happens, we still could find a way to IU it up. If you had been told back in November that TJD would be a 20 and 9 all-American, and Armaan Franklin would become a stud and a 45% three point shooter, would you have thought we’d be better than 12-14 at this point in the season? 
 

And then you run into problems if you bring him back. Say things do go well and we have a year like Crean had in 2015. We finish 7th or 8th in the conference, squeeze into the tournament, and lose in the first round. We have to do something with him at that point. Do we extend him? Do we fire him? Do we let him go into the next year with just two years left on the contract? 

[Trish 14,559]

I still can't believe that Archie and staff failed in their four years here. Maybe not so much last year.. but man.

Lots of articles that people have pointed out here all discuss the same disappointments in the program currently. Most of it comes down to recruiting. How are we striking out on recruits? Is it because no one wants to come to Indiana outside of Indiana kids? We had one of the best recruiters on staff and our recruiting was still... ehh.

Even prior this years performance, it doesn't appear recruits are lining up outside the doors of Assembly Hall. Do we need better assistant coaches? Do we need dirtier assistant coaches? Was it Archie? Was it Indiana that kept us from getting good recruits outside the State? 

Archie didn't know Flint prior to coming to Indiana. His brother recommended we get Ed Shilling. Perhaps it's Archie's personality that doesn't strike it with recruits? 

I hope we get an Archie Miller book one day to find out what went wrong in his mind. 

[IUrocker 2,532]

I really hope Dolson is just being quiet now but then once the season is over he comes out like a lion and says enough is enough, changes need to be made, we are getting our guy. IU will be great again. That’d be sweet, ha 

[Golfman25 6,956]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

I still can't believe that Archie and staff failed in their four years here. Maybe not so much last year.. but man.

Lots of articles that people have pointed out here all discuss the same disappointments in the program currently. Most of it comes down to recruiting. How are we striking out on recruits? Is it because no one wants to come to Indiana outside of Indiana kids? We had one of the best recruiters on staff and our recruiting was still... ehh.

Even prior this years performance, it doesn't appear recruits are lining up outside the doors of Assembly Hall. Do we need better assistant coaches? Do we need dirtier assistant coaches? Was it Archie? Was it Indiana that kept us from getting good recruits outside the State? 

Archie didn't know Flint prior to coming to Indiana. His brother recommended we get Ed Shilling. Perhaps it's Archie's personality that doesn't strike it with recruits? 

I hope we get an Archie Miller book one day to find out what went wrong in his mind. 

Maybe recruits don't like losing to Purdue either.  

[HoosierFan1994 5,359]

30 minutes ago, Treesh said:

While the chances of us being good are slim, there is a chance we have a better roster.

- Transfers

-TJD staying

-Freshman improve

- Joey stays

- Race / Frank improve and Rob finds jesus.

Yeah I say it all the time but maybe it could happen. Nonetheless, a new coach probably wouldn't be walking into a completely terrible roster. There's some potential. Lots of If's! Archie hasn't earned the confidence of anyone and probably won't this summer if he's still here. Scott is probably doing some homework behind the scenes and if Archie is let go, then Scott has someone. 

What's crazy..I think under the right circumstance this isn't a bad roster. I just have zero faith in this coaching staff.

If Parker Stewart is as good as we think and Armaan improves a little, you have two potential All-Big Ten guards. When was the last time IU had that? Add Brunk coming back if he's healthy and the addition of Duncomb that's not a terrible frontcourt with Race (I expect TJD to leave). 

Add in improvement from our freshmen and yes Rob playing better this is probably a tournament team. I didn't expect much from the freshman class this year. Leal has been disappointing because I thought he would bring more shooting wise but Trey and Jordan are contributing about what I expected. I really can't judge Lander yet. He should be in high school still.

By no means is this an endorsement for Archie Miller. I just don't think the roster is as bad as we think.