General Coach Candidate News

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Announcement right smack dab in the middle of the Uconn/Marquette women's game when the whole country has their eyes glued to the tv! Perfection. 

 

 

[coonhounds 9,896]

March 2nd 3 pm we get our guy! Very exciting news!

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[Sobchak_Security 47]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Remember he comes from the Woodson and players' side of things. Not the administration. Doesn't mean he's wrong just adding some perspective 

Chris do you know who Tyme is??

[Capt. Crimson 3,669]

Announcement at a specific date, time, and tv channel is way too specific to be true imo. It would have leaked so fast if that were the case. 

[Chris007 52,286]

1 minute ago, Sobchak_Security said:

Chris do you know who Tyme is??

I do not. We have traded a few DM's on Twitter. He thinks I reach more people than I do but I agreed with him that I could tone my dislike down some. We both agreed that we love IU and left it at that. I believe they said we had met before. 

[Demo 21,413]

4 minutes ago, JPCIVOP said:

A great irony is that, had Zeller chosen Butler, that might have given IU the courage to dump Crean after a 12-20 season, in order to hire the generational coaching talent up the road in Indianapolis. If push comes to shove, I am glad that Crean got the chance to win after taking on the coaching job when he did. But Stevens would have certainly made the leap, had he been offered in 2011.

Of the potentially infinite number of parallel universes that could theoretically exist, in not 1 of them was Crean fired after 2011, Zeller or no Zeller. 

[OKHOOSIER 4,524]

50 minutes ago, Ctf9 said:

Also I think given the trauma of Archie and Woodson people are forgetting how exhausting Crean was as a human being. This is something that the Wikipedia coaching records can never capture. What does it feel like for this person to be a character in our lives? Crean had some real positives. (Remember him taking McDonald’s to a person outside the restaurant?) But he was stubborn and defensive and awkward and honestly kinda manic. 
 

And he was inconsistent, and his trajectory was going down. Recruiting was tailing off locally and nationally. Juwan and OG were diamonds in the rough but we were all tired of an irritating coach who wouldn’t adjust his turnovers or defense and who also needed to find diamonds in the rough. 
 

Most days, I remember the good parts of the Crean era. But it was time to move on from him, and it’s worth reflecting on the legit bad parts too. 

*Aggressively adjusts oversized pants and slams some ambiguous liquid in a dasani bottle* 

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5 minutes ago, Demo said:

Of the potentially infinite number of parallel universes that could theoretically exist, in not 1 of them was Crean fired after 2011, Zeller or no Zeller. 

Not that Crean would have deserved to be fired. And almost certainly the administration was not of a mind to do something so mercenary. But, in hindsight, two trips to the title game from the Horizon League should have been a clear message; 'No hard feelings, Tom, but we have to do this for the good of the program.'

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1 hour ago, miner74 said:

Long term lurker here (look at my join date), What I'm wondering is Chris 007 is wrong more than he is right, then when he is called out he throughs a fit and threatens to quit posting and people kiss his a## till he comes back, then he posts stuff that is more wrong than right, but he is an "insider" that doesn't  know SH_T

 

In the good old days, Chris had the inside information about Romeo Langford.

That was when you were a lurker.....something we also refer to as the good old days.

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7 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

*Aggressively adjusts oversized pants and slams some ambiguous liquid in a dasani bottle* 

The suit thing I never understood. Didn't he get outfitted with custom suits by AD on the square? Why did those things always fit so horribly.

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9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I do not. We have traded a few DM's on Twitter. He thinks I reach more people than I do but I agreed with him that I could tone my dislike down some. We both agreed that we love IU and left it at that. I believe they said we had met before. 

Gotcha.  Was it ever confirmed that ScottDolsonsBurner was Miller Kopp??

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Just now, Sobchak_Security said:

Gotcha.  Was it ever confirmed that ScottDolsonsBurner was Miller Kopp??

Not sure it was 100% confirmed, but likely.  He has said he was a former IU player and it appears he had a loyalty to Woodson.  At first people thought it was Xavier Johnson but looks like that is not the case.  Kopp makes sense because regardless of how few shots Kopp was getting (something that 'wasn't Mike Woodson's job' -- Mike Woodson -- Kopp continued to start.

I have no problem with Kopp as a player here.  I do think he would have been better off going somewhere that actually believed in the three point line.

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4 minutes ago, JPCIVOP said:

Not that Crean would have deserved to be fired. And almost certainly the administration was not of a mind to do something so mercenary. But, in hindsight, two trips to the title game from the Horizon League should have been a clear message; 'No hard feelings, Tom, but we have to do this for the good of the program.'

and we followed it up by hiring Archie (good hire on paper) and the Wizard of Broad Ripple (bad hire from any angle).

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6 minutes ago, JPCIVOP said:

Not that Crean would have deserved to be fired. And almost certainly the administration was not of a mind to do something so mercenary. But, in hindsight, two trips to the title game from the Horizon League should have been a clear message; 'No hard feelings, Tom, but we have to do this for the good of the program.'

That’s obviously what we should’ve done after last season.  But this is Indiana University and we have a process here.  Can’t hurt anyone’s feelings.  There’s optics to worry about to.

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4 minutes ago, JPCIVOP said:

Not that Crean would have deserved to be fired. And almost certainly the administration was not of a mind to do something so mercenary. But, in hindsight, two trips to the title game from the Horizon League should have been a clear message; 'No hard feelings, Tom, but we have to do this for the good of the program.'

In order for Crean to get fired after those first 2 seasons if he didn't get Zeller, the next three years would have to be pretty much in the middle of the Big Ten and not getting better.  One thing that Crean did have going for him is the development a lot of players showed like Oladipo.  The player has to have that fire to get better, and the coach needs to throw gas on that fire.  Crean had that going for him that the next coach needs.

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2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Not sure it was 100% confirmed, but likely.  He has said he was a former IU player and it appears he had a loyalty to Woodson.  At first people thought it was Xavier Johnson but looks like that is not the case.  Kopp makes sense because regardless of how few shots Kopp was getting (something that 'wasn't Mike Woodson's job' -- Mike Woodson -- Kopp continued to start.

I have no problem with Kopp as a player here.  I do think he would have been better off going somewhere that actually believed in the three point line.

I think it’s Kopp because I’ve noticed they have a lot of overlap in using unique phrases. Like calling people “pencil necks” lol

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1 minute ago, jermhoosierfan said:

In order for Crean to get fired after those first 2 seasons if he didn't get Zeller, the next three years would have to be pretty much in the middle of the Big Ten and not getting better.  One thing that Crean did have going for him is the development a lot of players showed like Oladipo.  The player has to have that fire to get better, and the coach needs to throw gas on that fire.  Crean had that going for him that the next coach needs.

And for every Oladipo or Anunoby it seemed like there multiple Prillers or Grant Gelons.  I’m all for trying to find diamonds in the rough but some of the guys he offered were completely mystifying.

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4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I think it’s Kopp because I’ve noticed they have a lot of overlap in using unique phrases. Like calling people “pencil necks” lol

Underrated insult tbh.

Now I have to find a way to call someone Big Fella and Pencil Neck in the same day at work.

[Demo 21,413]

 

His sister got fired, what, maybe 20 years ago? Doesn’t matter, dude’s not coming back yet.

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14 minutes ago, JPCIVOP said:

Not that Crean would have deserved to be fired. And almost certainly the administration was not of a mind to do something so mercenary. But, in hindsight, two trips to the title game from the Horizon League should have been a clear message; 'No hard feelings, Tom, but we have to do this for the good of the program.'

Crean had 7 years left on his contract. He wasn't getting fired in 2011. 

 

My theory for why Stevens stayed at Butler 2 more years is that he was waiting to see if Crean made it here. Wishful thinking, maybe.