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[Chris007]

Andy Enfield was just named Pac 12 coach of the year. 

[HoosierFan1994]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It reminds me of what Mark Cuban said last week. Every IU fan thinks they are a better coach than whoever is the coach for the last 20 years. After every loss, he said he gets at least 20 emails saying I could have drawn up a better out-of-bounds play than the coach did. Taking it a step further here we are on a message board dissecting and criticizing every potential coach. Let's have some faith that Dolson will take the best available and they will be the one. 

The emails are what makes our fan base look silly. That being said Indiana fans are fed up. Of the last 12 NCAA Tournaments, Indiana has only made 4....that's 33% (still more likely than this current team hitting a 3 pointer). I understand why fans won't accept a Dane Fife and another mid-major hire. However I do think whoever it is, they need to have a chance. You never know. I didn't think Howard would be very good at Michigan. Beard at Texas Tech. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

I’m just curious what the actual criteria is that people can agree on. We want to be significantly better than where we are now. Scott Drew would provide that year after year, but just has post season question marks. Thad Matta is a proven coach, but has health issues and has been out of the game for a little while.
Other potential candidates have some success, but not a high level of it so are we getting another Archie? This is an extremely important higher because it could literal alter the course of this program for a long, long time.
To me, the only perfect candidates are more fantasy than reality: Stevens, Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and a few others. Not getting them means we settle in some areas or hope a hot commodity can improve on being an up and comer.
This isn’t towards anyone other than I just feel like the candidates we can get we will have to settle in certain areas, and some people with be unhappy unless it’s a select few coaches.
I totally get hesitancy, but just hope that whoever we hire gets a chance and a fanbase that will back them for the first 2-3 years!


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I’m really starting to like Scott Drew. After not watching IU even play in a tournament game since 2016, I’m a lot less worried about Drew’s postseason question marks than I was before. I think he can get us to the tournament almost every year. He’s made 8 of the last 12 tournaments. (Would’ve been 9 of the last 13 if it was canceled last year). In the four seasons he didn’t make the tournament, he won the NIT once, and was the runner up another year. He’s had a winning record in his conference 9 of the last 13 seasons. Four sweet 16s and two elite 8s during that period. And he’s doing it at a non-basketball school. If he can turn Baylor into a serious program I’d like to see what he could do with IU. 
 

He’s not perfect, but I think he’d be a very good hire. I hope we can get him. 

[Trish]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Andy Enfield was just named Pac 12 coach of the year. 

Scott Drew and Dennis Gates were named coach of the year as well. 

 

[Chris007]

Just now, Treesh said:

Scott Drew and Dennis Gates were named coach of the year as well. 

 

So your saying we have choices or options

[Trish]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m really starting to like Scott Drew. After not watching IU even play in a tournament game since 2016, I’m a lot less worried about Drew’s postseason question marks than I was before. I think he can get us to the tournament almost every year. He’s made 8 of the last 12 tournaments. (Would’ve been 9 of the last 13 if it was canceled last year). In the four seasons he didn’t make the tournament, he won the NIT once, and was the runner up another year. He’s had a winning record in his conference 9 of the last 13 seasons. Four sweet 16s and two elite 8s during that period. And he’s doing it at a non-basketball school. If he can turn Baylor into a serious program I’d like to see what he could do with IU. 
 

He’s not perfect, but I think he’d be a very good hire. I hope we can get him. 

Scott has a really good program there. A new basketball arena coming. His best recruiting class in 14 years (which worries me) is coming next year.

Why would he leave that for a train wreck? A couple extra dollars? He pays no income tax in Texas. 

EDIT: I have Baylor losing in the Sweet 16 this year. Never trust Baylor in March! 

[HoosierFan1994]

I went to Assembly Hall on the day Indiana introduced Archie. It was spring break and I just wanted to head up to Bloomington. I'll never forget the players walking out of the tunnel for his press conference. They looked like zombies. Months later I went to the infamous Indiana State game. The players again just looked like zombies on the bench. I don't get it. These guys just don't look like they are interested in playing. I've never really seen heart from this team. Is that all on Archie or the players?  

[Trish]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

So your saying we have choices or options

Archie Miller won coach of the year before we hired him. 

That hasn't turned out so well. :( 

[Chris007]

Just now, Treesh said:

Archie Miller won coach of the year before we hired him. 

That hasn't turned out so well. :( 

It was just a bad fit. His personality and our fans just don't go together. We wanted someone opposite of Crean personality-wise, but really just need someone in the middle of those two. 

[Trish]

Just now, Chris007 said:

It was just a bad fit. His personality and our fans just don't go together. We wanted someone opposite of Crean personality-wise, but really just need someone in the middle of those two. 

That marks Mussleman off our list that's for sure LOL!

 

[Chris007]

Just now, Treesh said:

That marks Mussleman off our list that's for sure LOL!

 

I have enjoyed the videos I've watched of him. As long as he doesn't try to be AD and coach like Crean did I'm OK with him. Especially if brings Keith Smart on staff with him. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Scott has a really good program there. A new basketball arena coming. His best recruiting class in 14 years (which worries me) is coming next year.

Why would he leave that for a train wreck? A couple extra dollars? He pays no income tax in Texas. 

EDIT: I have Baylor losing in the Sweet 16 this year. Never trust Baylor in March! 

The new basketball arena will seat 10,000 fewer fans than Assembly Hall. Baylor fans aren't passionate about basketball like IU fans are. I forget the exact story someone posted about their experience at a marquee Baylor game, but it was really interesting. Football is more important at Baylor than basketball. Bloomington is a better place to live than Waco, Texas, imo.

IU is a challenge, but being a successful coach at IU is way better than being a successful coach at Baylor. The why is really is: If he's content with what he has right now then he won't give it up. But if he wants more, if he wants the chance to coach at an all-time program and bring it back to life, this is his chance. Resurrect IU basketball and you're a coaching legend forever. That has some appeal to it. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The new basketball arena will seat 10,000 fewer fans than Assembly Hall. Baylor fans aren't passionate about basketball like IU fans are. I forget the exact story someone posted about their experience at a marquee Baylor game, but it was really interesting. Football is more important at Baylor than basketball. Bloomington is a better place to live than Waco, Texas, imo.

IU is a challenge, but being a successful coach at IU is way better than being a successful coach at Baylor. The why is really is: If he's content with what he has right now then he won't give it up. But if he wants more, if he wants the chance to coach at an all-time program and bring it back to life, this is his chance. Resurrect IU basketball and you're a coaching legend forever. That has some appeal to it. 

If I'm thinking of the same story, it was something to the affect that whoever attended the game thought it was weird that everyone was still sitting in their jackets very close to game time, then there was an announcement made to "come on down" where people could fill in empty seats closer to the floor. Forde also mentioned going to a Baylor/KU game just last year and fans there talking up how great the atmosphere was. He agreed but emphatically said it didn't come close to comparing to Assembly Hall for a big game. 

 

[Trish]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The new basketball arena will seat 10,000 fewer fans than Assembly Hall. Baylor fans aren't passionate about basketball like IU fans are. I forget the exact story someone posted about their experience at a marquee Baylor game, but it was really interesting. Football is more important at Baylor than basketball. Bloomington is a better place to live than Waco, Texas, imo.

IU is a challenge, but being a successful coach at IU is way better than being a successful coach at Baylor. The why is really is: If he's content with what he has right now then he won't give it up. But if he wants more, if he wants the chance to coach at an all-time program and bring it back to life, this is his chance. Resurrect IU basketball and you're a coaching legend forever. That has some appeal to it. 

He seems to be happy with the fans there as he's been there for 14 years! He also seems to be pretty happy with his family in Texas. I mean.. to not leave a place for 14 years in this business is impressive. 

There might be some appeal to bring back Indiana Basketball but it's just as likely he fails here. We have the hardest conference in America. Kids don't know where Bloomington or what Indiana Basketball is about. He'd have to start from scratch. Looks like his entire roster outside of three players are from the South. Recruiting would have to change.. does he have the magic Tom Allen has with pulling southern kids up north? 

He's has yet to make the magical final four run at Baylor although last year and I guess this year they are suppose to?

Would be an interesting career choice to leave a final four program to a basement Big Ten program.. 

[Demo]

16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Andy Enfield was just named Pac 12 coach of the year. 

I’m sure someone will disparage it for being the PAC 12. During the last search I remember someone suggesting that they weren’t excited about the idea of Mark Few because he was in the WCC. That is some aneurysm-provoking analysis right there.

[lillurk]

The guys on the new Podcast on the Brink seem to believe we have another year to endure :( say it ain’t so

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

I’m sure someone will disparage it for being the PAC 12. During the last search I remember someone suggesting that they weren’t excited about the idea of Mark Few because he was in the WCC. That is some aneurysm-provoking analysis right there.

The thing that cracks me up is everyone says hire a shooting coach. What about Enfield? No I don't like him. What was Enfield before he got his first head coaching job? A shooting specialist in the NBA for the Bucks and Celtics. He would help us right away. 

[8bucks]

6 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

If I'm thinking of the same story, it was something to the affect that whoever attended the game thought it was weird that everyone was still sitting in their jackets very close to game time, then there was an announcement made to "come on down" where people could fill in empty seats closer to the floor. Forde also mentioned going to a Baylor/KU game just last year and fans there talking up how great the atmosphere was. He agreed but emphatically said it didn't come close to comparing to Assembly Hall for a big game. 

 

Yeah that was me. The crowd did cheer really loud at one point when they had RG3 on the screen. 
 

Chip and Joanna Gaines make Waco look great and maybe with Drew’s salary he can enjoy the best parts but I did not like Waco much. If he loves it there he should stay. We just don’t know and it would be foolish not to call him if the home runs guys say no. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, lillurk said:

The guys on the new Podcast on the Brink seem to believe we have another year to endure :( say it ain’t so

I will say that the Bozich kid has made a nice career off of his dad and IU basketball. Good for him, nice living if you can do it. 

[HoosierDYT]

17 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The new basketball arena will seat 10,000 fewer fans than Assembly Hall. Baylor fans aren't passionate about basketball like IU fans are. I forget the exact story someone posted about their experience at a marquee Baylor game, but it was really interesting. Football is more important at Baylor than basketball. Bloomington is a better place to live than Waco, Texas, imo.

IU is a challenge, but being a successful coach at IU is way better than being a successful coach at Baylor. The why is really is: If he's content with what he has right now then he won't give it up. But if he wants more, if he wants the chance to coach at an all-time program and bring it back to life, this is his chance. Resurrect IU basketball and you're a coaching legend forever. That has some appeal to it. 

I agree with all your points...

I just think if I was a coach, the #1 thing to me would be longevity, and if Drew doesn't get in trouble at Baylor, he will literally be able to retire there. I don't think money matters as much as we think it does because of diminishing margins of return. 

But how does Drew want his legacy to end? As a solid coach who resurrected one of the worst D-1 programs all time, with probably a few Elite 8's / Final 4's (maybe even a national championship)? Or, as THE guy, from Indiana, who resurrected one of the most dominant basketball programs of all time? That would make him a hall of famer and a lifelong celebrity in Indiana.

I'm not saying any of that is likely, however, these coaches have egos, and with the current state of our program, playing into the legacy of coaches might be our best bet. That's what I'd do if I was Dolson, and I think its transferable to all of the big names we are after. Stevens? Heck, unless he wins 3+ championships with the Celtics (which, in the NBA, is virtually impossible without a top-5 player), his legacy will not even be in the same discussion than if he won ONE championship at Indiana.