General Coach Candidate News

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My wife played CBB. My son and I take a drink every time she says "when I played we did blah blah blah" We take multiple drinks every game. He's 14 so getting him hammered at an early age is going to help him in college. I'm kidding. I'm the only one drinking alcohol

To be honest, if you're gonna make him be a IU basketball fan at this early of an age, you may as well let him drink while doing it. 

 

(yes this is a joke for anyone who needed clarification)

[Stuhoo 80,494]

This season in the Stuhoo house

My wife crossing though the family room with two minutes left in the game:

"Are they winning?" (said in artificially sunny, hopeful, worrisome voice)...notices score on tv screen...

"Ohhhhh..." (keeps walking, increases pace...dog follows her & hides under bed)

[Chris007 43,895]

Good interview from AJ with Scott Dolson today

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqxvobONoAKB

[LIHoosier 26,144]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

This season in the Stuhoo house

My wife crossing though the family room with two minutes left in the game:

"Are they winning?" (said in artificially sunny, hopeful, worrisome voice)...notices score on tv screen...

"Ohhhhh..." (keeps walking, increases pace...dog follows her & hides under bed)

You still get to watch IU games in the family room? You've got a spring and summer to build yourself an IU bunker so as not to embarrass the Mrs. in the neighborhood. :)

[Unexpectedflash 1,065]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Good interview from AJ with Scott Dolson today

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqxvobONoAKB

Scott sounds like a giant Hoosiers sports fan just like all of us. Gives me some hope that he'll want to get us back to winning like when he was a manager.

[Golfman25 5,329]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I think you're right in that if IU football can find success, there is no reason IU basketball cannot. Where I don't think there is a direct correlation is that we don't want a Tom Allen for basketball (not the man and coach we currently know, I mean the equivalent of what Tom Allen was before he was our head football coach). He wasn't a known commodity that had a track record of high level head coaching success before we hired him. We want the hoops version of a Nick Saban, a Ryan Day, a Dabo Swinney. A Tom Allen in the college basketball world is a well respected assistant coach who specializes in defense. Are those out there? Sure. Can they have a Tom Allen affect on the basketball program? Sure. But they are all names we would scoff at as our next head coach. I could be wrong but I think Chris's point is more that our list of Nick Saban's, Ryan Day's and Dabo Swinney's in college hoops aren't viewing this job as very attractive. The Tom Allen's of college hoops probably would, and wouldn't bat an eye at whatever the perceived administration issues are. 

My comment was in response to the sorry old excuse that "the Administration" won't let Basketball succeed.  Nobody has ever pointed to a concrete example.  On the contrary, Football and other sports show that is not true.  

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee 1,311]

Good interview from AJ with Scott Dolson today

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqxvobONoAKB

AJ has really got something going with these podcasts I really enjoy them. Also, to relate to the coaching candidates, as I said earlier, Fife is only realistic if it is for the HC position so we would have to roll the dice being the first big program, however every single player that talks about him seems to talk positive: hates losing, hard worker, a little crazy in him. If we have to go with an IU guy I’m on board with others preferring it to be Fife.

 

I would love to see AJ get on staff at some capacity in the future. He’s mentioned multiple times in his Twitter when people comment to him about being a shooting coach that “Archie has my number”

 

 

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[Chris007 43,895]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

Scott sounds like a giant Hoosiers sports fan just like all of us. Gives me some hope that he'll want to get us back to winning like when he was a manager.

You won't find someone who loves IU more than Scott. This has been his home since 83. He meets you once he will know you for life. Great guy. Still pretty sure he is not making this decision himself but we'll see. 

[Chris007 43,895]

2 minutes ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

AJ has really got something going with these podcasts I really enjoy them. Also, to relate to the coaching candidates, as I said earlier, Fife is only realistic if it is for the HC position so we would have to roll the dice being the first big program, however every single player that talks about him seems to talk positive: hates losing, hard worker, a little crazy in him. If we have to go with an IU guy I’m on board with others preferring it to be Fife.

 

I would love to see AJ get on staff at some capacity in the future. He’s mentioned multiple times in his Twitter when people comment to him about being a shooting coach that “Archie has my number”

 

 

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I'm starting to get on that boat myself with Fife. An IU guy, knows the culture, can recruit, and would be cheap. Scott is looking for the coach for the next 25 years

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

My comment was in response to the sorry old excuse that "the Administration" won't let Basketball succeed.  Nobody has ever pointed to a concrete example.  On the contrary, Football and other sports show that is not true.  

What's holding IU back from succeeding in basketball?

[lillurk 3,738]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What's holding IU back from succeeding in basketball?

Well currently they have a coach who wants the program identity to be defense but they’re bad at defense. He’s also the last coach in America to realize that shooting and making lots of threes is good, and conversely preventing the opponent from hitting them is bad.

This is at least partially because he was hired on the strength of a three game March winning streak and nice connections.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,614]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

 Scott is looking for the coach for the next 25 years

I think this is what kicks several of the names we've bandied about out of the equation.    And I also don't think he's into this John Beilein / Dane Fife on the bench "coach-in-waiting" stuff.  This is his first hire and it's the biggest one he'll ever likely make during his tenure as AD.

rcs29 did all the work and posted this information for us yesterday; I just massaged the numbers so I could sort them by age.  I think you can scratch off your wish list any coach who's already 55+

COACH	AGE	SALARY (thousands)	BUYOUT (thousands)
Tonagel, Greg	N.A.	N.A.	N.A.
Hamilton, Leonard	72	2,300	0
Beilein, John	68	N.A.	N.A.
Kruger, Lon	68	3,300	2,900
Pition, Rick	68	1,100	N.A.
Barnes, Rick	66	5,300	5,000
Sampson, Kelvin	65	3,000	12,000
Altman, Dana	62	3,500	3,000
Calipari, John	62	8,500	60,000
Woodson, Mike	62	N.A.	N.A.
Wittman, Randy	61	N.A.	N.A.
Pearl, Bruce	60	4,000	12,000
Musselman, Eric	58	2,600	1,500
Alford, Steve	56	500	4,000-6,000
Donovan, Billy	55	6,000	N.A.
Jackson, Mark	55	N.A.	N.A.
Matta, Thad	53	N.A.	N.A.
Moser, Porter	52	N.A.	N.A.
Bennett, Tony	51	5,200	18,000
Cooley, Ed	51	3,500	N.A.
Drew, Scott	50	3,300	N.A.
Cheaney, Calbert	49	N.A.	N.A.
Cronin, Mick	49	3,400	15,400
Alexander, Casey	48	800	N.A.
Beard, Chris	48	4,600	3,000
Pope, Mark	48	N.A.	N.A.
Smith, Craig	48	800	N.A.
Oats, Nate	46	3,300	12,600
Devries, Darian	45	N.A.	N.A.
Lewis, Michael	44	250	N.A.
Shrewsberry, Micah	44	N.A.	N.A.
Stevens Brad	44	3,700	N.A.
Fife, Dane	41	265	N.A.
Steele, Travis	39	N.A.	N.A.
Nored, Ronald	31	N.A.	N.A.

 

 

 

 

 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Well currently they have a coach who wants the program identity to be defense but they’re bad at defense. He’s also the last coach in America to realize that shooting and making lots of threes is good, and conversely preventing the opponent from hitting them is bad.
This is at least partially because he was hired on the strength of a three game March winning streak and nice connections.

And before Arch was ever thought of for the coaching gig, what was the problem then?


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[Stuhoo 80,494]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think this is what kicks several of the names we've bandied about out of the equation.    And I also don't think he's into this John Beilein / Dane Fife on the bench "coach-in-waiting" stuff.  This is his first hire and it's the biggest one he'll ever likely make during his tenure as AD.

rcs29 did all the work and posted this information for us yesterday; I just massaged the numbers so I could sort them by age.  I think you can scratch off your wish list any coach who's already 55+

COACH	AGE	SALARY (thousands)	BUYOUT (thousands)
Tonagel, Greg	N.A.	N.A.	N.A.
Hamilton, Leonard	72	2,300	0
Beilein, John	68	N.A.	N.A.
Kruger, Lon	68	3,300	2,900
Pition, Rick	68	1,100	N.A.
Barnes, Rick	66	5,300	5,000
Sampson, Kelvin	65	3,000	12,000
Altman, Dana	62	3,500	3,000
Calipari, John	62	8,500	60,000
Woodson, Mike	62	N.A.	N.A.
Wittman, Randy	61	N.A.	N.A.
Pearl, Bruce	60	4,000	12,000
Musselman, Eric	58	2,600	1,500
Alford, Steve	56	500	4,000-6,000
Donovan, Billy	55	6,000	N.A.
Jackson, Mark	55	N.A.	N.A.
Matta, Thad	53	N.A.	N.A.
Moser, Porter	52	N.A.	N.A.
Bennett, Tony	51	5,200	18,000
Cooley, Ed	51	3,500	N.A.
Drew, Scott	50	3,300	N.A.
Cheaney, Calbert	49	N.A.	N.A.
Cronin, Mick	49	3,400	15,400
Alexander, Casey	48	800	N.A.
Beard, Chris	48	4,600	3,000
Pope, Mark	48	N.A.	N.A.
Smith, Craig	48	800	N.A.
Oats, Nate	46	3,300	12,600
Devries, Darian	45	N.A.	N.A.
Lewis, Michael	44	250	N.A.
Shrewsberry, Micah	44	N.A.	N.A.
Stevens Brad	44	3,700	N.A.
Fife, Dane	41	265	N.A.
Steele, Travis	39	N.A.	N.A.
Nored, Ronald	31	N.A.	N.A.

 

 

 

 

 

Please add Dennis Gates from Cleveland State     41    350    N.A.

[Chris007 43,895]

8 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Well currently they have a coach who wants the program identity to be defense but they’re bad at defense. He’s also the last coach in America to realize that shooting and making lots of threes is good, and conversely preventing the opponent from hitting them is bad.

This is at least partially because he was hired on the strength of a three game March winning streak and nice connections.

He has a career winning percentage of 64% so he didn't get the job on a 3 game winning streak.

[southernindianahoosier2 902]

I don't think a lot of people are lining up to work for this athletic department. Most of the same people have been there during all of these hires. Hopefully getting a new president will help this summer. 

Is the department capable of change? Or do we need to clean house?

Maybe I’m just confused how an athletic department can be so incompetent for 21+ years

Any further insight you could provide on what the issues are?


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[Banksyrules 4,716]

Guys these attacks that Archie wasn’t deserving of the gig are off base.  Many programs and people around the game all said that IU made a great hire.  It didn’t work out, but it doesn’t mean we have to be bitter at him. Just replace the guy and we move on.  

[Chris007 43,895]

2 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

 

Is the department capable of change? Or do we need to clean house?

Maybe I’m just confused how an athletic department can be so incompetent for 21+ years

Any further insight you could provide on what the issues are?


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I will try to in the next couple of days. Working on something this afternoon. Also don't want to say too much about the department. Scott is not part of the problem I know that for sure. 

[southernindianahoosier2 902]

You won't find someone who loves IU more than Scott. This has been his home since 83. He meets you once he will know you for life. Great guy. Still pretty sure he is not making this decision himself but we'll see. 

Can he make the decision himself if he wants? Who’s making the decision with him? Haha sorry for being so blunt


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[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

50 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

My comment was in response to the sorry old excuse that "the Administration" won't let Basketball succeed.  Nobody has ever pointed to a concrete example.  On the contrary, Football and other sports show that is not true.  

Right, and I'm not necessarily buying into the administration holding IU hoops back theory. But it does seem to be a theory many buy into, and if that impression is really out there, high level coaches will know it, and that could turn them off.