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[JSHoosier 20,462]

5 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I would say Kopp's expectations are likely to be what he's been for his career....like a 40/36/85 shooter.  I agree that Leal likely isn't going to see much time.

My expectation is that Bates is going to make a jump;  X will be a credible threat.  Part of the reason that teams back off of him is he is more dangerous driving the ball, and that hasn't changed, so I expect he will continue to get his looks from three.  I also am of the opinion that people are sleeping on JHS's three point shot based on what he has done at Montverdo -- but with the talent he has around him there, he was been basically only been asked to be facilitate and they haven't really worked their offense around getting him many open shots.  I think people forget that before he was at Montverdo, he played his sophomore high school season at Combine Academy and was 29 of 64 from three (45%) there.

I wouldn't expect a lot out of Johnson's shooting.  Last year was a career high, and he's still only a 35% shooter; nothing to write home about.  At some point they are what they show they are, in cases like Johnson and Kopp that's decent but not particularly good.

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14 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I agree that he stuck to that lineup too long.  I don't know, but my guess is that in getting Kopp to come to IU and to get Stewart to stay, he 'promised' them that they would be starting.  IMO, that's something you should never do, but I understand why coaches do it. 

The options are:

1.  Make promises, keep your word at what could be a detriment to the team for the season.

2.   Make promises, don't keep your word and that can effect future recruitment as word travels.

3.   Don't make promises, which could keep some recruits away.

It's easy to say just go route 3, but the first year in a program is not only a learning one but one where not getting recruits/transfers in can set the program back for years.  Hopefully we can get to the point where #3 is the only option because we are good enough that the program sells itself.

First, those guys aren't the caliber of guy you make that promise too.  They were complementary players who should have provided reliable shooting, but they were never going to be a program changers.

Second, once there was enough evidence that guys weren't holding up their end of the bargain, option 2 all the way.  Future "promises" go like this, "I'll start you as long as you're producing".  If a guy doesn't believe in himself for that to be enough, then move on happily.

[Stuhoo 81,803]

11 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

If the staff can't see that this guy would only compound our serious lack of shooting, then we have big problems.  I couldn't care less how high he can jump, there a more important things in this game, in terms of need he's not a fit, period.  There has to be someone available that's a better shooter than Dexter friggin Dennis.

Dexter friggin Dennis was his conference’s defensive player of the year at 6’5”. That’s a odd size to be conference player of the year. Not blocking shots at the rim and not stealing from ball handlers, yet he won it anyway.

Let this sink in: The conference’s coaches thought he was a better defender than anybody on Sampson‘s Houston team.

That’s a big time add. I AGREE … he doesn’t  solve our outside shooting problems, but it’s a big add nonetheless. 

 

And from the WSU board:

I wish nothing but the best for him. Seems like a super good dude. It would be hard to find anybody who doesn't like Dex other than the dude he's guarding.

[Stuhoo 81,803]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Lmao. Why is this always your response whenever anyone questions the staff? We were 13th in the conference in 3pt percentage and dead last in 3pt makes. We lost our best 3pt shooter. Parker Stewart made 26% of our threes last year. What’s the coaching staff doing to replace that loss? 

When we started playing well against top-tier competition Parker Stewart was not our best three-point shooter. Xavier Johnson and Race Thompson were. By the end of the season Parker Stewart was a dogshit three point shooter

[AKHoosier 7,053]

Do we need another Galloway? 

I'm trying to see how this one makes sense. He seems like the type you add if you have starting guards that are both shooting 40%+ from 3 and you're trying to shore up some defense. 

I'm sure he can be a good player and contributor on a good team, just not at IU right now.

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,485]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I actually prefer the Butler kid because we get him for 3 years. But either makes us more athletic and that’s Woodson goal.

Speaking of..has there been anything else said about simas other than that photo? It was brought up on reddit and the butler fans were not happy about it lol

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5 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Do we need another Galloway? 

I'm trying to see how this one makes sense. He seems like the type you add if you have starting guards that are both shooting 40%+ from 3 and you're trying to shore up some defense. 

I'm sure he can be a good player and contributor on a good team, just not at IU right now.

I think his shot can be improved.  Decent form but seems to lean back a bit too much (gathered only from the highlight video). I gotta believe his recruitment is a reaction to Woody watching Johnny Davis and other star players take over at the end of a game and have guys who have no chance at stopping them. 

[Demo 20,466]

If Woody decides he wants Dennis, I want him to get him. The more interesting question to me is why a 4 year kid who’s played 25+ mins from the day he walked on campus would want to be part of a 5 man guard rotation. 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

33 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Do we need another Galloway? 

I'm trying to see how this one makes sense. He seems like the type you add if you have starting guards that are both shooting 40%+ from 3 and you're trying to shore up some defense. 

I'm sure he can be a good player and contributor on a good team, just not at IU right now.

AAC defensive player of the year? Wonder if our need in a lot of games was a dude stopping Murray, a dude stopping Davis, a Dude stopping Ivey, a Dude stopping Boeheim , a Dude stopping Logan Johnson etc? It seems like we were in the drivers seat in a lot of games and our inability to shut down the hot hand was instrumental in our defeat. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,896]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

When we started playing well against top-tier competition Parker Stewart was not our best three-point shooter. Xavier Johnson and Race Thompson were. By the end of the season Parker Stewart was a dogshit three point shooter

Xavier, sure.. I’m assuming when you say “when we started playing well against top-tier competition” you mean beginning with the conference tournament, because we finished the regular season on a 2-7 skid. In our 5 postseason games Thompson shot 5 threes and made 2 of them. That’s not nearly a big enough sample to say he was one of our two best three point shooters. In the 14 games we played in February and March Race Thompson shot 32% from 3. Stewart shot 29% from 3 during that period, so not much difference, especially when you account for the difference in volume. Race only averaged 1.6 attempts per game over the last two months of the season. 

[MikeRoberts 7,196]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I think you agree, though, that a 36% three point shooter is certainly a player you can replace....especially when they don't do anything else on the court and pass up way too many shots.

Factually, of the ten players who played the most time on the court last year, Parker Stewart's +/- numbers for his time on the court weren't second worst on the team.  Despite the fact that he was our best shooter, we were appreciably worse when he was out there.  The sad truth is that despite how poorly we shot from three, we were better when Stewart was on the bench and was replaced by someone who wasn't a shooter (or didn't knock down shots like you would expect).  

Want a shocking number?  IU was an amazing 11 points per 100 possessions better when NEITHER Stewart or Kopp was on the floor than when they were both on the floor.  We need more than shooting....we need shooters who hit shots AND add something else.

Absolutely but that isn’t being solved by adding Dennis, are you in agreement on that?

if you have a good shooting team that lacks defense like an Iowa, Dennis seems like a great addition but that isn’t Iu

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1 hour ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

AAC defensive player of the year? Wonder if our need in a lot of games was a dude stopping Murray, a dude stopping Davis, a Dude stopping Ivey, a Dude stopping Boeheim , a Dude stopping Logan Johnson etc? It seems like we were in the drivers seat in a lot of games and our inability to shut down the hot hand was instrumental in our defeat. 

Most of those guys were being guarded by Parker Stewart and Miller Kopp and sans a few people, most of us wondered why they were in there

we had two of our best defensive players in Galloway and Geronimo on the bench

[JSHoosier 20,462]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Dexter friggin Dennis was his conference’s defensive player of the year at 6’5”. That’s a odd size to be conference player of the year. Not blocking shots at the rim and not stealing from ball handlers, yet he won it anyway.

Let this sink in: The conference’s coaches thought he was a better defender than anybody on Sampson‘s Houston team.

That’s a big time add. I AGREE … he doesn’t  solve our outside shooting problems, but it’s a big add nonetheless. 

 

And from the WSU board:

I wish nothing but the best for him. Seems like a super good dude. It would be hard to find anybody who doesn't like Dex other than the dude he's guarding.

We have defense.  He's a guy you add if you have shooters and need to shore up defense.  We should be trying to address needs, not add someone that compounds a problem. 

He'd be a great get for someone that needs defense, he's not for someone that needs shooting.

[MemphisHoosier 2,272]

Completely different players, but does anyone get a little Al Durham vibe from Dennis in terms of being a team-first player, well-respected, good dudes that if nothing else will come in and hustle and help with the team's culture?

[AKHoosier 7,053]

9 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

AAC defensive player of the year? Wonder if our need in a lot of games was a dude stopping Murray, a dude stopping Davis, a Dude stopping Ivey, a Dude stopping Boeheim , a Dude stopping Logan Johnson etc? It seems like we were in the drivers seat in a lot of games and our inability to shut down the hot hand was instrumental in our defeat. 

And yet our defense was still #24 nationally at the end of the year.

Defense is not a weakness. Shooting is.

[Chris007 45,739]

9 hours ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Speaking of..has there been anything else said about simas other than that photo? It was brought up on reddit and the butler fans were not happy about it lol

Depending on who you talk to he may or may not have been on campus yesterday. IU is taking one of the two. They will wait till after the Dennis visit to let him decide. 

Having someone close to me in the Butler basketball office, I watched every game the kid can play. Matta is begging him to come back, and he probably will if Dennis comes to IU. 

Let me add we will still take McNeil too

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Depending on who you talk to he may or may not have been on campus yesterday. IU is taking one of the two. They will wait till after the Dennis visit to let him decide. 

Having someone close to me in the Butler basketball office, I watched every game the kid can play. Matta is begging him to come back, and he probably will if Dennis comes to IU. 

Who offers the team most upside in your opinion?  Seems as if Dennis provides more defense, would be light years better defending other starting guards instead of Kopp and Stewart and is a wild card on the offensive end but the kid from Butler probably has the highest upside due to his age?  

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Is it safe to say Dennis would have been our best wing defender last season had he been on the team?  If so, sign me up.  Lean on JHS/Banks/Gunn to bring the 3pt shooting to the team in addition to any improvements that we see from current guys.  

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Just now, dwtaylor1055 said:

Who offers the team most upside in your opinion?  Seems as if Dennis provides more defense, would be light years better defending other starting guards instead of Kopp and Stewart and is a wild card on the offensive end but the kid from Butler probably has the highest upside due to his age?  

Yeah, I go with the kid from Butler. But I think either will help. We have a lot of moving parts here. We're taking one of the two, we still want the 5-star Reneu, and we still want Mcneil. If everything happens who leaves? Lots of stuff going on that maybe the staff knows but we don't.

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah, I go with the kid from Butler. But I think either will help. We have a lot of moving parts here. We're taking one of the two, we still want the 5-star Reneu, and we still want Mcneil. If everything happens who leaves? Lots of stuff going on that maybe the staff knows but we don't.

thanks for the input.  Id love to get one of Dennis or Kid from Butler, then Reneu and McNeill.  Sounds as if there is potential of a wild card leaving and their doing the due diligence to fill the gap should it happen.  Or maybe someone is forced out if we nabbed three of the four mentioned.