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1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Leal and Galloway are completely fine. They will find their minutes. I've mentioned before... but both won 4 sectionals in HS, like 2 regionals, 1 Semi state, 1 state... won like 85% of their games or more in HS. They are going to find minutes. "winning"... all they do is win, literally. 

I don't think they will play much this year, that is completely fine.. they should not have had to play much last year. But jesus.. both came out when they didn't even know who their coach would be and said "I'm a Hoosier for life".. now we are assuming we can do better? Nahh. 

I completely agree. Hunter is who I could see leaving more than anyone. Doubt he'd like a minutes reduction and I don't know were his minutes would come from with Kopp, Brooks, and Geronimo all needing minutes. Not to mention Race will get some time at the 4. I just don't see it plus he's awful on defense and doesn't do much except be a streaky shooter. 

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3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Leal and Galloway are completely fine. They will find their minutes. I've mentioned before... but both won 4 sectionals in HS, like 2 regionals, 1 Semi state, 1 state... won like 85% of their games or more in HS. They are going to find minutes. "winning"... all they do is win, literally. 

I don't think they will play much this year, that is completely fine.. they should not have had to play much last year. But jesus.. both came out when they didn't even know who their coach would be and said "I'm a Hoosier for life".. now we are assuming we can do better? Nahh. 

I don’t want to get into a pissing match about this but we absolutely can do better, which is why we went out and got Xavier Johnson and Tamar bates. I love Galloway and Leal and their commitment to IU. It’s awesome to see and doesn’t happen much anymore. But I’m also trying to be realistic. These guys are not getting minutes on a final four type team where we want to be. You always have to look for talent upgrades on your roster. If they’re fine being end of the bench guys then that’s great. It really is. I just don’t see us winning in the future if they’re getting many minutes.

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Just now, VO5 said:

I don’t want to get into a pissing match about this but we absolutely can do better, which is why we went out and got Xavier Johnson and Tamar bates. I love Galloway and Leal and their commitment to IU. It’s awesome to see and doesn’t happen much anymore. But I’m also trying to be realistic. These guys are not getting minutes on a final four type team where we want to be. You always have to look for talent upgrades on your roster. If they’re fine being end of the bench guys then that’s great. It really is. I just don’t see us winning in the future if they’re getting many minutes.

Ok. I think you are completely wrong, but that's fine. I don't think either will play this year, I am glad we got XJ and TB.. we needed them. We can't have a team full of Galloways, but you have to have 1 or 2. Roles matter. Fit matters. But again.. you want winning right? Well those two have won more than anyone on our roster. You absolutely cannot draw those conclusions from the FR year... especially from a team as dysfunctional as ours. 

Every talented offensive player we get... Galloways value increases that much more. 

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29 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know that. I just know I'm told as soon as he enters the portal he will be a Hoosier. I've been told that twice now. Me personally I'm almost to the point of being over Brooks. 

I think as soon as CJ Fredrick transfers to UK, this happens. They don't play the same position but that probably bumps Keion to the bench at UK. I have a feeling they start Oscar and the freshman Collins at the 4 and 5 spots. Keion I think would be a very a good addition. He's not as bad as some think . He would start obviously. I'm just not on high on him as I was two years ago.

Hypothetically looking at the depth chart if this happens, minute wise this would hurt Hunter but I think in a way it hurts Lander's minutes too. Think the lineup would be Johnson, Stewart, Kopp, Brooks, TJD. Rob and Bates IMO are the top two guards off the bench. I think Lander is really going to be on himself this offseason and get better. 

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1 minute ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think as soon as CJ Fredrick transfers to UK, this happens. They don't play the same position but that probably bumps Keion to the bench at UK. I have a feeling they start Oscar and the freshman Collins at the 4 and 5 spots. Keion I think would be a very a good addition. He's not as bad as some think . He would start obviously. I'm just not on high on him as I was two years ago.

Hypothetically looking at the depth chart if this happens, minute wise this would hurt Hunter but I think in a way it hurts Lander's minutes too. Think the lineup would be Johnson, Stewart, Kopp, Brooks, TJD. Rob and Bates IMO are the top two guards off the bench. I think Lander is really going to be on himself this offseason and get better. 

I think UK is also going after the transfer from Vandy who is a 4 and would 100% start. 

[Stuhoo 84,374]

I think there is a lot of assumption in this thread that if Keion Brooks came to IU Trey Galloway would be the one leave.

I'm not sure why that would necessarily be so. No reason to believe it would be so.

It's a message board; it's a place where we compare and contrast abilities, but is it necessary to compare these two particular kids when there is no reason to believe that is the choice?

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3 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think as soon as CJ Fredrick transfers to UK, this happens. They don't play the same position but that probably bumps Keion to the bench at UK. I have a feeling they start Oscar and the freshman Collins at the 4 and 5 spots. Keion I think would be a very a good addition. He's not as bad as some think . He would start obviously. I'm just not on high on him as I was two years ago.

Hypothetically looking at the depth chart if this happens, minute wise this would hurt Hunter but I think in a way it hurts Lander's minutes too. Think the lineup would be Johnson, Stewart, Kopp, Brooks, TJD. Rob and Bates IMO are the top two guards off the bench. I think Lander is really going to be on himself this offseason and get better. 

I honestly never was that high on him. He's a very solid player, but he isn't this Mcdonald's AA he was touted to be. He just isn't. 

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

I think there is a lot of assumption in this thread that if Keion Brooks came to IU Trey Galloway would be the one leave.

I'm not sure why that would necessarily be so. No reason to believe it would be so.

Agree. 

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2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Ok. I think you are completely wrong, but that's fine. I don't think either will play this year, I am glad we got XJ and TB.. we needed them. We can't have a team full of Galloways, but you have to have 1 or 2. Roles matter. Fit matters. But again.. you want winning right? Well those two have won more than anyone on our roster. You absolutely cannot draw those conclusions from the FR year... especially from a team as dysfunctional as ours. 

Every talented offensive player we get... Galloways value increases that much more. 

I respect that opinion. Probably just something to agree to disagree on. I like having those guys on the roster as culture builders and that can’t be understated. I’m just talking from a talent perspective that I don’t think those guys will be getting any sort of extended minutes past this season. I do want to win and it’s always great to have winners on the roster but high school wins don’t always translate to college. Lots of these D1 guys were big winners in high school. Doesn’t always translate. Give me more of the Bates types in that sweet spot of the rankings and we can be more like a Villanova or a Virginia. 

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2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I think there is a lot of assumption in this thread that if Keion Brooks came to IU Trey Galloway would be the one leave.

I'm not sure why that would necessarily be so. No reason to believe it would be so.

Chris said that’s what he was told, I believe 

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10 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

And for those that don’t want Brooks for two years, did you feel the same way about Zeisloft? Oh? It’s because Nick wasn’t from a rival?

How ‘bout the one year of Bielfeldt, UM traitor that he was? Kopp? He has bled purple for three years.

My personal feeling is that the guys that are here I want to stay. If a spot opens up because a guy wants to move on, fine, bring on Brooks, but suddenly having a playing time conversation with a player to nudge him out the door for Brooks, esp with an old school 80's middle part Hoosier for life type would be sort of a buzz kill for the party that has been IU basketball the last month.

 

These through thick and thin guys are what make a program great. Creaning either would be a disappointment.

 

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4 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I respect that opinion. Probably just something to agree to disagree on. I like having those guys on the roster as culture builders and that can’t be understated. I’m just talking from a talent perspective that I don’t think those guys will be getting any sort of extended minutes past this season. I do want to win and it’s always great to have winners on the roster but high school wins don’t always translate to college. Lots of these D1 guys were big winners in high school. Doesn’t always translate. Give me more of the Bates types in that sweet spot of the rankings and we can be more like a Villanova or a Virginia. 

But teams still need roles players regardless of what's on the front of the jersey. I wanted Bates in bunches... we flat out needed him, and by all accounts he is going to be awesome for us, on and off the court. We've seen teams with awful balance in recent years. TG going to make practice hell on TB. That's a good thing. 

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1 minute ago, btownqb said:

But teams still need roles players regardless of what's on the front of the jersey. I wanted Bates in bunches... we flat out needed him, and by all accounts he is going to be awesome for us, on and off the court. We've seen teams with awful balance in recent years. TG going to make practice hell on TB. That's a good thing. 

I agree with you. All I’m saying is I just don’t see them getting many minutes now or in the future. I like having them on the team and wish nothing but the best from them. Just talking about actual playtime and talent. 

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3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I think there is a lot of assumption in this thread that if Keion Brooks came to IU Trey Galloway would be the one leave.

I'm not sure why that would necessarily be so. No reason to believe it would be so.

Don't get me wrong, I would like a player of Brooks ability as well as being from Indiana...... On the other hand, Trey Galloway may not have the shooting ability BUT, he exudes the grit, hustle and desire to represent IU basketball every second he is on and off the floor. 

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I'm not sure where I stand on this but basically what I'm hearing is fans are happy with us not really using scholarships 12 and 13 for a couple of years. I put Galloway at 12, Leal at 13. Neither should be really playing on a team that is trying to compete to win a Big Ten title. But since they love IU and want to be here, we're ok with them riding the bench, getting better, and hoping they can contribute something in their senior year. If that is the stance I guess I'm OK with it. If you get anything before then it's a bonus. 

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3 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I agree with you. All I’m saying is I just don’t see them getting many minutes now or in the future. I like having them on the team and wish nothing but the best from them. Just talking about actual playtime and talent. 

We as fans don't have to see it. We think Lander is someone that is going to help us down the road because of some silly ranking that was given to him when he was 14, but he is BEHIND. 2 years from now.. I will be pretty surprised if TG and AL aren't in our top 8 or 9. 

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6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm not sure where I stand on this but basically what I'm hearing is fans are happy with us not really using scholarships 12 and 13 for a couple of years. I put Galloway at 12, Leal at 13. Neither should be really playing on a team that is trying to compete to win a Big Ten title. But since they love IU and want to be here, we're ok with them riding the bench, getting better, and hoping they can contribute something in their senior year. If that is the stance I guess I'm OK with it. If you get anything before then it's a bonus. 

I agree I love both but I don’t know about you but I want to start winning right away and if that is getting rid of the future I think I’m ok with it because our staff is doing amazing right now in recruiting.

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8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm not sure where I stand on this but basically what I'm hearing is fans are happy with us not really using scholarships 12 and 13 for a couple of years. I put Galloway at 12, Leal at 13. Neither should be really playing on a team that is trying to compete to win a Big Ten title. But since they love IU and want to be here, we're ok with them riding the bench, getting better, and hoping they can contribute something in their senior year. If that is the stance I guess I'm OK with it. If you get anything before then it's a bonus. 

Right now, correct. 

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29 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

You also don't run off a kid who's dad is one of the top high school coaches in the state when it's your first year on the job. I get that Woody isn't just recruiting Indiana but you don't want to burn those bridges already. He's very Sheehey like and I'll take that off the bench any day. 

His dad coaches at Culver Academy. Other than Trey, how many guys have we gotten from there? None come to mind. Woody came in and landed a top 25 guard from IMG Academy in a matter of weeks. I don’t think he’s worried about a bad relationship with one Indiana high school coach dooming his recruiting. With his NBA resume, if he succeeds here he will have elite players fighting over spots. Besides, this is different from recruiting a player and then pushing him out. Woody never recruited Trey. 
 

We want to be a blue blood, well that’s how blue bloods operate. John Calipari has run off players far better than Trey Galloway and he’s recruiting just fine. I’m not even saying that I hope Trey gets pushed out. But if the chance to get Keion is there, and Trey is the cost, it’s a no brainer. We’re a top 25 team and a legit conference contender next year if that happened. That’d be a helluva outcome after where we were a month ago. 

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm not sure where I stand on this but basically what I'm hearing is fans are happy with us not really using scholarships 12 and 13 for a couple of years. I put Galloway at 12, Leal at 13. Neither should be really playing on a team that is trying to compete to win a Big Ten title. But since they love IU and want to be here, we're ok with them riding the bench, getting better, and hoping they can contribute something in their senior year. If that is the stance I guess I'm OK with it. If you get anything before then it's a bonus. 

I like guys that have a track record of winning to fill out the roster. Then beyond that if they develop and contribute as juniors and seniors then great. If not then they can be guys that play spot minutes and won't kill you. That's what you need at the end of the bench. Also Baylor won the national championship and had their last 2-3 scholarship players on their roster that had lower recruiting rankings/grades than Galloway and Leal. So yes you can win with them being your last two scholarships.