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21 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Jackson Shelsted in portal. I joked about this when he was in town for the game. But MAYBE????

I know he’s a west coast kid but who knows. He would be exciting. 

What an excellent college basketball player. Long, long list for him and no reason to think we have a chance, but would be great.

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54 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Jackson Shelsted in portal. I joked about this when he was in town for the game. But MAYBE????

I know he’s a west coast kid but who knows. He would be exciting. 

Winning player. Starting to get a little meat on the bone in the portal now.

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If IU identifies Shelstad as a must have, then you pay him whatever it takes to get him to Bloomington even if its 5 mil+ or more.

If they think Shelstad has someone equivalent for less, go there. Bottom line though is I would much rather have an elite PG like Shelstad and an elite big at 5 mil each and round out roster with minimums.

Don’t spend 1-2 mil on mid players as IU seemingly did last yr rather than dumping 5-6 mil on Conwell and Wilkerson and being worse off. An aggregate of mid players like Dorn, Enright, Conerway, Miles etc. makes you far worse off. Four mediocre players does not equal one good one and roster management needs to be handled accordingly.

You win because of 1-2 stars. You may need to way overpay to be competitive or else you will be stuck in loop of mediocrity firing coaches every 2-3 yrs.

If Shelstad or anyone else is uninterested so be it. However, once you identify a prospect with mutual interest and you think they are a difference maker you pay them whatever it takes to come.

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2 minutes ago, Aaron said:

If IU identifies Shelstad as a must have, then you pay him whatever it takes to get him to Bloomington even if its 5 mil+ or more.

If they think Shelstad has someone equivalent for less, go there. Bottom line though is I would much rather have an elite PG like Shelstad and an elite big at 5 mil each and round out roster with minimums.

Don’t spend 1-2 mil on mid players as IU seemingly did last yr rather than dumping 5-6 mil on Conwell and Wilkerson and being worse off. An aggregate of mid players like Dorn, Enright, Conerway, Miles etc. makes you far worse off. Four mediocre players does not equal one good one and roster management needs to be handled accordingly.

You win because of 1-2 stars. You may need to way overpay to be competitive or else you will be stuck in loop of mediocrity firing coaches every 2-3 yrs.

 

To an extent.  But can’t totally “overpay”.  Need 2-3 top level players though.  Many schools have that.  All the great ones do.  Some have 5-7 of those guys. We are gonna find the portal expensive again and struggle to build what we want. 

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7 minutes ago, Aaron said:

If IU identifies Shelstad as a must have, then you pay him whatever it takes to get him to Bloomington even if its 5 mil+ or more.

If they think Shelstad has someone equivalent for less, go there. Bottom line though is I would much rather have an elite PG like Shelstad and an elite big at 5 mil each and round out roster with minimums.

Don’t spend 1-2 mil on mid players as IU seemingly did last yr rather than dumping 5-6 mil on Conwell and Wilkerson and being worse off. An aggregate of mid players like Dorn, Enright, Conerway, Miles etc. makes you far worse off. Four mediocre players does not equal one good one and roster management needs to be handled accordingly.

You win because of 1-2 stars. You may need to way overpay to be competitive or else you will be stuck in loop of mediocrity firing coaches every 2-3 yrs.

If Shelstad or anyone else is uninterested so be it. However, once you identify a prospect with mutual interest and you think they are a difference maker you pay them whatever it takes to come.

Florida isn’t necessarily outbidding us or UK or whomever. If he’s going to UF it’s because they have an opening on a ready made team with a coach whom he thinks can improve his draft stock. 
 

Yes, guys are getting paid but the better players still want to get to the league and are looking for opportunity plus fit/style.  
 

I think one of the frustrating things about last year, is nobody really knows what we have to “sell” in that regard. We just have money right now. 

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

To an extent.  But can’t totally “overpay”.  Need 2-3 top level players though.  Many schools have that.  All the great ones do.  Some have 5-7 of those guys. We are gonna find the portal expensive again and struggle to build what we want. 

Depends on the player. If they are a must have like Wilkerson and mutual interest, you pay whatever it takes and find donors like Cuban to write checks for more money. 

Otherwise you will be cycling coaches every 2-3 yrs. 

If its a good but not great player like DeVries or Alexis than pay accordingly and indeed dont ‘overspend’. However, once you identify a true difference maker and mutual interest, no amount of money is to much.

If IU doesn’t do this, they will be cycling through coaches every 2-3 yrs if they keep sticking to market value and paying for avg. 

Posted
7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Florida isn’t necessarily outbidding us or UK or whomever. If he’s going to UF it’s because they have an opening on a ready made team with a coach whom he thinks can improve his draft stock. 
 

Yes, guys are getting paid but the better players still want to get to the league and are looking for opportunity plus fit/style.  
 

I think one of the frustrating things about last year, is nobody really knows what we have to “sell” in that regard. We just have money right now. 

If Shelstad prefers Florida and has no interest, nothing you can do or get upset about.

I am taking about if there is mutual interest with a true difference maker and then getting outbid as presumably happened with Conwell. For a player like that, you may need to outbid and way overpay what other teams will even if its 7-10 mil.

Better than what happened instead that IU decided he was to expensive and paid less for several mediocre guys.

Paying ‘market value’ for mediocrity is why team struggled so much and cant be repeated

Posted
4 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Yes, guys are getting paid but the better players still want to get to the league and are looking for opportunity plus fit/style.  
 

I think one of the frustrating things about last year, is nobody really knows what we have to “sell” in that regard. We just have money right now. 

For us, this may be the difficult part.  Really good players are looking for money, a pipeline to the NBA and looking to play in the tournament.  Right now, our selling points are playing time and money.  We don't have any recent Tournament success, and I don't believe DeVries has put anyone into the NBA yet.  For top tier talent, we may need to overpay.  Hopefully, Carr is able to work some magic with convincing some agents and players that we are a destination school.  If not, we'll have to find some quality players in the second tier.  

Posted
6 minutes ago, Aaron said:

I am taking about if there is mutual interest with a true difference maker and then getting outbid as presumably happened with Conwell. For a player like that, you may need to outbid and way overpay what other teams will even if its 7-10 mil.

1) it's been said about a million times this isn't what happened with Conwell. 2) 7-10mil? US Dollars?

Posted
40 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Paying for 2 top of the line studs and filling the rest of the roster with "minimum" types sounds an awful lot like what Rutgers did with Harper and Ace Bailey. Even if one of the 2 is a big guy, no thanks. 

Ya BYU did that this year and all it took was one injury and they looked terrible after. I honestly don’t mind what we did last year in terms of money. We just spent it on terrible players. Get 2 studs and then 6 other people that you can reliably count on 

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