Archie. Miller. Fired.

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10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Honestly, forget losing fans if we Miller is back.....we ARE going to lose players in terms of transfers and recruits.  Of course you can lose players to transferring if you bring a new coach in, but if a reason for not firing Archie is player exodus.....I think it's going to happen.  And I think if Dolson and the BOT do their due diligence and contact players, they are going to find that is the case.

Yeah if the BoT says they are thinking of holding off on firing Archie then Dolson has to meet with the returning players. Maybe he has already but he needs to be sure they are not planning to take off if he is retained. Or  for that matter find out if they are going to leave if Archie leaves. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,513]

29 minutes ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

I didn't even think to include the picture I took. Looking at it now, 70% may have been generous. 

I remember afterwards everyone just kind of filing out of there quietly, with this big collective feeling of "...ohh-kayyy."

Props for sticking the whole game out haha. My buddy and I peaced outta there with like 10 minutes left in the second half to go to Upstairs. We saw Phinisee, Hunter and Anderson at the concession stand at halftime and thought that it was good that they signed before that game happened. 

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I specifically remember that game not being on TV. Pulled up the radio call to listen but I was pissed I couldn’t watch the first game of the glorious new era to come. I remember simultaneously thinking wow I’m glad I didn’t have to watch that but also why did I actually sit through listening to the whole....damn....game.

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3 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

Do you actually think the BOT puts weight into booing fans? They see dollars and cents. Do you believe if donors weren't ready to pony up the $10M buyout they would even be considering firing AM? Booing adversely effects the players and future recruits much more than any coach , AD, or BOT.

They are doing the math of how much those buyout donations will affect donations to other departments vs increased donations from a new coach exciting the boosters offsetting the money lost to a buyout. It's really that simple. In their minds they may even be convinced that they are making the decision largely free of financial incentive, but it is what drives them.

I disagree.  Football and basketball are the view the general public gets of the University.  Success attracts students.  That’s why misbehaving coaches are let go.  Empty seats and boos are a really bad look.  The public doesn’t care how good the school of xyz is.  If the BOT doesn’t understand that the teams represent their brand they should resign and go to a mac school. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,513]

15 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I was getting at that it went from "saving a lot of money.. costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster" to "I don't think it'd be that much" in the matter of a few posts.  It's funny to see how some posters view it as a lot of money while others think it's not that much and some posters have both thoughts.

I do think that it’s both a lot and not that much, as much as I know that doesn’t really make sense. They would save millions of dollars this year by bringing Archie back next year. For an administration that likes cutting corners to save a buck during good times, that’s a lot of money during Covid times. But if you look at the amount over a three year span, I don’t think it’d end up being that much. Football should make us a lot of money, and a good basketball team would too over the next three years. 
 

Maybe I’m not making any sense though, I don’t know. 

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29 minutes ago, Josh said:

He won't be our coach next year.  

From your lips to God’s ears. 

[Golfman25 5,483]

47 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

The downtown party scene (pre-Covid) isn’t the same as it was a decade ago. I graduated in 2011 and went back for grad school in 2016-17. I forgot which day it was but when I was there in grad school, either Friday or Saturday, but Kilroys Sports wasn’t even open. That was unheard of a decade ago, one of the most popular bars being closed one day each weekend. Maybe someone can explain it me because it didn’t make any sense and when it was open it was never as packed as it used to be. Downtown for Halloween wasn’t as crazy either when I went back. The busiest I ever saw the bars during that 2016-17 period was when the Cubs won the WS. Brothers and the Tap were just as popular,  but Sports being that dead was shocking. 

Tailgating went to hell for students too. Instead of a madhouse free for all, there was now a designated fenced in area for the frats that you needed to go through security to get into (I wasn’t trying to drink with the Greeks in grad school...but another observation). Everything felt watered down. Little 5 concerts seemed weaker, and nothing even remotely resembled when Girl Talk in the rain tore up Dunn Meadow (2009 I think?). 

Yeah. The new IU where fun goes to die.  

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6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I disagree.  Football and basketball are the view the general public gets of the University.  Success attracts students.  That’s why misbehaving coaches are let go.  Empty seats and boos are a really bad look.  The public doesn’t care how good the school of xyz is.  If the BOT doesn’t understand that the teams represent their brand they should resign and go to a mac school. 

They represent the 'brand' to those of who have been long time fans....but as a teacher I can tell you the past thirty years I've seen the emphasis that prospective college students on how good the athletic program is incredibly low on their list.   It's not really effecting student enrollment.  What it does effect, though, is the amount of money the athletic department brings in both in attendance and events and in donations.  I don't see the student body changing based on how strong our basketball program is.....the difference is in the number that will attend the games.  There's plenty of other things they can and will do than watching a team lose.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,513]

50 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

On a weekend night? Seems like a complete waste and filling both wasn’t an issue “back in my day.”

I was a senior in 2017 and Thursdays and Saturdays were the nights students filled up Sports. I don’t know why, but that’s just what everyone did. It would pretty much be empty every other night. Sports was usually pretty packed after like midnight on Thursdays. Brothers/KOK/Sports/Upstairs would usually all be packed on Thursday nights when I was at IU.  I wouldn’t go out as much on the weekends because drinks were way more expensive. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I was a senior in 2017 and Thursdays and Saturdays were the nights students filled up Sports. I don’t know why, but that’s just what everyone did. It would pretty much be empty every other night. Sports was usually pretty packed after like midnight on Thursdays. Brothers/KOK/Sports/Upstairs would usually all be packed on Thursday nights when I was at IU.  I wouldn’t go out as much on the weekends because drinks were way more expensive. 

Is Bluebird still a thing?  That place was awesome in the 90's

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14 minutes ago, Josh said:

Is Bluebird still a thing?  That place was awesome in the 90's

Yeah it is. That’s one Bloomington bar I’ve never actually gone to. One of the few.. lol

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Is Bluebird still a thing?  That place was awesome in the 90's

It was always rockin when I was there from 12-16.

Miss the bluebird.


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39 minutes ago, Josh said:

Is Bluebird still a thing?  That place was awesome in the 90's

Yeah at this point it’s a big Wednesday night place because of quarter beers but other than that people just go depending on who’s playing that night

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This talk of how Bloomington was 'way back when' reminds me that the academic math coach was looking for someone to teach his members simple BASIC and Fortran coding.  He asked our current IT guy and he had no idea about it.

I learned BASIC in high school and Fortran in college.  FML.

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This talk of how Bloomington was 'way back when' reminds me that the academic math coach was looking for someone to teach his members simple BASIC and Fortran coding.  He asked our current IT guy and he had no idea about it.
I learned BASIC in high school and Fortran in college.  FML.

My first computer class at IU we were still using IBM punched cards lol


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19 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

This talk of how Bloomington was 'way back when' reminds me that the academic math coach was looking for someone to teach his members simple BASIC and Fortran coding.  He asked our current IT guy and he had no idea about it.

I learned BASIC in high school and Fortran in college.  FML.

Most my high school got into was a HTML and a web team class. Got through the prerequisites as quick as I could to join that team.

Now my work days are full of JavaScript

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2 hours ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

All this talk about low attendance numbers has got me thinking about something. Show of hands: how many folks here were actually AT the notorious Indiana State game?

I was. And I remember going in being SO pumped, thinking this was a new era for IU basketball and that the fanbase was raring to go after the darkness of the Crean years (which in retrospect, LMAO). I genuinely believed that the place was going to be packed and rocking that night.

Instead, I got there and discovered the Hall dotted with empty seats. It might've been marginally better attended than the usual cupcake games but it was still only maybe 70% full, and a huge number of the people who were there were ISU fans.

That, more than the pathetic showing in the game, was what really had me concerned that night. Then, even weirder, after the game my buddy and I went to Trojan Horse and it was like 10pm on a Friday night and Kirkwood was completely empty. I was just like "what's happening to this town?" 

I was there as a birthday gift from my now wife. It was awful. I was even at Archie's presser when he got hired. Everything was bizarre. I was like you-excited. I remember the players walking out of the tunnel and they looked like zombies. 

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I was a senior in 2017 and Thursdays and Saturdays were the nights students filled up Sports. I don’t know why, but that’s just what everyone did. It would pretty much be empty every other night. Sports was usually pretty packed after like midnight on Thursdays. Brothers/KOK/Sports/Upstairs would usually all be packed on Thursday nights when I was at IU.  I wouldn’t go out as much on the weekends because drinks were way more expensive. 

I do think the pavilion in the back and the quota for the upstairs hurt Sports. It was always the place to end the night. Like you mentioned, after midnight everyone would head to sports, but it was always good the entire weekend. Outside when the weather was nice was always fun, including the upstairs deck.

 

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Watching major conference tournament semis, I’m struck by how many big wings the best teams play — sometimes even four at a time. By my count Archie recruited four of those, all in his first class except one: Langford, Hunter, Anderson, Geronimo.

I’m simply not sure why you’d try to win with mostly traditional posts and small-to-average height guards.

But then again I don’t think he really utilized those guys well, including Smith, so maybe he hurt his chances at more.

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I’m so impressed with Illinois right now. A little salt in the wound to think about Underwood being hired same time as Archie and I think he’s got a team that will be my pick to win it all.


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