Archie. Miller. Fired.

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7 minutes ago, HoosierDYT said:

DJ Carton 

Andre Curbelo 

Dawson Garcia 

- Three recruits that would have significantly helped our team that we just barely missed out on 

Two of those three were also on a massively underachieving team this year.

 

[lillurk 3,756]

Just overwhelmingly embarrassing to read the quotes from CAM’s radio show tonight. Sounds like he’s trying, calmly, to make a case for another year, but in reality he’s undermining his capability?

Buck stops with you, man.

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49 minutes ago, HoosierDYT said:

DJ Carton 

Andre Curbelo 

Dawson Garcia 

- Three recruits that would have significantly helped our team that we just barely missed out on 

While I'd love to have those guys, is Phinisee unable to play at a faster pace or is he not allowed to by Archie and the system? Serious question, as I am appalled at the statements made at that introductory press conference compared to what I've watched all year. Those 3 guys you listed certainly would help shoulder the load, especially with Franklin going down, but I'm not convinced those guys would be allowed any more freedom if Archie is indeed dictating the pace. It just leaves me so lost, as I can't understand why there's no attempt to run with how much we struggle to shoot the ball.

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17 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Just overwhelmingly embarrassing to read the quotes from CAM’s radio show tonight. Sounds like he’s trying, calmly, to make a case for another year, but in reality he’s undermining his capability?

Buck stops with you, man.

Nothing he said is untrue.

[coonhounds 8,951]

I see posters saying Jake forester and Justin Smith are looking good. If so what more evidence do we need to fire archie

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10 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Nothing he said is untrue.

I didn’t dispute their truthfulness. But

-team can’t shoot in an arena? Who’s job is it to recruit and develop shooters?

-the conference is good? Ok well he’s got more resources than just about anybody. Fran’s the only coach of the top ten teams in the conference who’s been on the job longer than Miller.

-Franklin has been hobbled, yep. Good development there. Why are we so thin?

-less room for error? Why’s that? Who’s responsible?

In general I’m open to explanations of why things didn’t work out (not just about IU basketball, but in general). Life’s complicated. But this is a sorry set of excuses if you’re the one in charge.

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I think this might be the first time I've ever heard a coach say his team will struggle to shoot the ball because of where a game is being played. 

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2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think this might be the first time I've ever heard a coach say his team will struggle to shoot the ball because of where a game is being played. 

You serious? This is brought up every year during the Final Four. And there’s at least fans to provide some depth perception for that. Let’s try to be fair here. 

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2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

You serious? This is brought up every year during the Final Four. And there’s at least fans to provide some depth perception for that. Let’s try to be fair here. 

Yes huge stadiums always harder to shoot in because of openness of the area 

[lillurk 3,756]

I think WatShot is trying to say you hear that from broadcasters, coaches say things like “the shooters background is different.” But it seems a bridge farther to say in advance not just that you’re worried about the difference, but that you think your team will shoot worse.

Like say, “we’ve played in arenas before, shootaround helps, we gotta get shots up and get comfortable.” Fine.

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21 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Fran’s the only coach of the top ten teams in the conference who’s been on the job longer than Miller.

I agree with all your sentiments, although McCaffery, Izzo, Painter,  and Gard have all been in the Big Ten longer than Archie. It's definitely time for him to move on. Four years of painful basketball is enough for me.

 

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13 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

You serious? This is brought up every year during the Final Four. And there’s at least fans to provide some depth perception for that. Let’s try to be fair here. 

Are coaches of the Final Four teams saying it? Typically you don't hear coaches say anything that could be construed as a built-in excuse. I'm not surprised we've reached that point with Archie Miller, who will never go to a Final Four unless he buys a ticket. 

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I think WatShot is trying to say you hear that from broadcasters, coaches say things like “the shooters background is different.” But it seems a bridge farther to say in advance not just that you’re worried about the difference, but that you think your team will shoot worse.
Like say, “we’ve played in arenas before, shootaround helps, we gotta get shots up and get comfortable.” Fine.

Exactly. Plus who has the balls to say they may struggle to shoot in any arena when they have struggled to shoot in their own damn gym the last 4 years. F out of here with that bs.

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I just think it’s funny for Archie to say after we went 7-43 from 3 over our past two games. Our players would struggle to hit water if they were shooting off a boat in the middle of the ocean. 

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18 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I just think it’s funny for Archie to say after we went 7-43 from 3 over our past two games. Our players would struggle to hit water if they were shooting off a boat in the middle of the ocean. 

Yep. I understand the difficulties that come with playing in a larger stadium like that with the depth perception and larger area, etc...that stuff is indeed real...but for him to bring that up in the first place, knowing darn well he has a poor shooting team,  just looks like “hey just a heads up, when we start the game 0-9 from three and miss a lot of bunnies, it’s gonna be because we’re in Lucas Oil, not because it’s what we’ve done all year...”

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1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

Are coaches of the Final Four teams saying it? Typically you don't hear coaches say anything that could be construed as a built-in excuse. I'm not surprised we've reached that point with Archie Miller, who will never go to a Final Four unless he buys a ticket. 

We suck at shooting. Maybe saying “teams will struggle” means the playing field will be leveled?

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8 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

I don't hate him personally, I hate the results. I assume he has given it his best and that simply hasn't been enough. So time to move on.

Same with Crean. He was a little odd, but I didn't mind that, until it became obvious he wasn't capable of consistently winning. 

WITHIN LIMITS I can tolerate an @$$hole, smarmy, boring or whatever coach. They aren't going to be my best friend so Just WIN. 

 

Sincere question, do we think any individual, or even group of players would have mattered? IU has had some talent the last few years. Certainly flawed/unbalanced rosters, but would Henry or Garcia or fill-in-the-blank have made Archie a success? I doubt it. More wins, no doubt, but IU doesn't just seem to be a player or two away from being there. It seems like a mess and Archie appears to be at a loss on how to correct it. 

Yes I do. Other than maybe lack of identity/culture, I think Archie's biggest issue at IU has been recruiting, not any type of strategy or X's/O's. I'm not saying IU doesn't have any talent, but IMO the current situation is directly tied to Archie not being able to recruit over guys like Durham and Phinisee, and recruiting a the guard/wing spots specifically. 

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39 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Yes I do. Other than maybe lack of identity/culture, I think Archie's biggest issue at IU has been recruiting, not any type of strategy or X's/O's. I'm not saying IU doesn't have any talent, but IMO the current situation is directly tied to Archie not being able to recruit over guys like Durham and Phinisee, and recruiting a the guard/wing spots specifically. 

I disagree a little. Archie’s offensive system is not conducive to success in modern basketball. He doesn’t value three point shooting enough and I know i saw concerns about that from his time at Dayton. Most of the best teams are really good shooting teams. The last four years we consistently have at least two people that are terrible three point shooters. Archie’s system is all about drawing fouls. Drawing fouls is helpful but when it’s the only focus it leads to clogged paints and a lot of the bad offense that we’ve seen the last few years. The game is trending to four or five players on the court that can all shoot but Archie usually plays at least two that won’t even look at the basket outside of five feet. The inability to develop that stretch four has really hurt us.

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I disagree a little. Archie’s offensive system is not conducive to success in modern basketball. He doesn’t value three point shooting enough and I know i saw concerns about that from his time at Dayton. Most of the best teams are really good shooting teams. The last four years we consistently have at least two people that are terrible three point shooters. Archie’s system is all about drawing fouls. Drawing fouls is helpful but when it’s the only focus it leads to clogged paints and a lot of the bad offense that we’ve seen the last few years. The game is trending to four or five players on the court that can all shoot but Archie usually plays at least two that won’t even look at the basket outside of five feet. The inability to develop that stretch four has really hurt us.

Sad thing is I think Race could be that 4 with some development although it may now be too late for him.

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9 hours ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I disagree a little. Archie’s offensive system is not conducive to success in modern basketball. He doesn’t value three point shooting enough and I know i saw concerns about that from his time at Dayton. Most of the best teams are really good shooting teams. The last four years we consistently have at least two people that are terrible three point shooters. Archie’s system is all about drawing fouls. Drawing fouls is helpful but when it’s the only focus it leads to clogged paints and a lot of the bad offense that we’ve seen the last few years. The game is trending to four or five players on the court that can all shoot but Archie usually plays at least two that won’t even look at the basket outside of five feet. The inability to develop that stretch four has really hurt us.

I somewhat agree that he doesn't value the 3 enough but my goodness the offense gets open 3's, we just suck at shooting. In the last two games, Al has been wide open, no one even in the 812 area code around him and airball. Never seen so many shots not touch the rim at all. Last game Al, Leal, Lander, Hunter, Thompson, Galloway, and Rob all had a 3 that didn't touch the rim or hit it so hard it came ricocheting back at them.