Coronavirus and Its Impact

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20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Just some numbers for everyone...

US: Cases- 1.01M... Deaths- 56,843

New York: C- 292,000 D- 17,303
New Jersey: C- 111,000 D- 6,044
Combined: C- 403,000 D- 23,347


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Thanks for pulling that data!

Using this and 8bucks' 5.7 million Tested above:

5.63% Death Rate of Infected Population

1% death rate of Tested Population

18% of those Tested have been Infected.

328.2 million people in the US:

So a Death Rate of 1% of those Tested means there will be 3,280,000 Americans dead once it passes through everyone.

60% herd immunity = 1.96 million dead.

No one is predicting this.

You can't use the data available to make any simple assumptions because it's biased towards really sick people, those in outbreak workplaces, contact tracing, and medical workers.  The random studies are so small in population with regards to the entirety of those tested as likely carriers.

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18 minutes ago, Redleader said:

Thanks for pulling that data!

Using this and 8bucks' 5.7 million Tested above:

5.63% Death Rate of Infected Population

1% death rate of Tested Population

18% of those Tested have been Infected.

328.2 million people in the US:

So a Death Rate of 1% of those Tested means there will be 3,280,000 Americans dead once it passes through everyone.

60% herd immunity = 1.96 million dead.

No one is predicting this.

You can't use the data available to make any simple assumptions because it's biased towards really sick people, those in outbreak workplaces, contact tracing, and medical workers.  The random studies are so small in population with regards to the entirety of those tested as likely carriers.

And even the 5.63% death rate of infected people is low because some that have currently been tested don't include those that have tested positive and will die later.  So that puts it at over even more than 3.28 million dead once it passes through or over 1.96 million at herd immunity.  That's not going to happen.

Again, they should publish their data and thoughts and put them up for peer review.  IMO, putting yourself in front of a camera and not doing so is just trying to appeal to those who aren't capable of examining the data and just want to go off of sound bites.

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

Isn't the greater threat of death from an overburdened healthcare system resulting in the sick not being able to get adequate care rather than simply dying from the disease itself? On that front, Indiana seems to be in a very good position with the percentage of ICUs and beds available. I think that is mostly due to social distancing.

That being said, I know people that know at my job feel good about the future. They are also still taking tons of precautions and taking a more conservative approach to getting operations back to normal (or rather the new normal post COVID). For example, as a non-healthcare worker, I will likely be working from home well into the summer.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,060]

And even the 5.63% death rate of infected people is low because some that have currently been tested don't include those that have tested positive and will die later.  So that puts it at over even more than 3.28 million dead once it passes through or over 1.96 million at herd immunity.  That's not going to happen.
Again, they should publish their data and thoughts and put them up for peer review.  IMO, putting yourself in front of a camera and not doing so is just trying to appeal to those who aren't capable of examining the data and just want to go off of sound bites.

It doesn’t include those that will die later but it also can’t include those who have it and never get tested, right? So how many people have had, didn’t know and survived?


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[BlueDevil 9,295]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Interesting read


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[mdn82 25,782]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/ 

Interesting read

 

 

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My vote would be on McCarthyism (on the biggest political hoax in history) but I digress.

 

 

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[Brass Cannon 25,175]

31 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Interesting read


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Yeah why in the world would a person who profits off supporting trump possibly be pushing this narrative. No chance of their being a bias. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,060]

Yeah why in the world would a person who profits off supporting trump possibly be pushing this narrative. No chance of their being a bias. 

Yea who could have any gain from pushing that this is all Trumps fault and he killed all these people and ruined the country? I guess no bias there.


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[Brass Cannon 25,175]

3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea who could have any gain from pushing that this is all Trumps fault and he killed all these people and ruined the country? I guess no bias there.


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Wow how did you go from this isn’t a hoax to that?  

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2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It doesn’t include those that will die later but it also can’t include those who have it and never get tested, right? So how many people have had, didn’t know and survived?


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We don't know., which was my point.  That is why Erickson and Massini shouldn't be throwing those numbers out based on non-random samples.

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48 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Interesting read


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I love how the hoaxsters were able to get other countries to in shelter as part of the US hoax.

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1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

I love how the hoaxsters were able to get other countries to in shelter as part of the US hoax.

One hell of a conspiracy, huh?  Getting so many different countries to coordinate is quite impressive.

[RaceToTheTop 28,565]

Cass County....man.  They are now at over 1,100 confirmed cases.  Happened very quickly there with like 90%+ percent of the cases coming from the recent outbreak at Tyson.  That's 3.4% of the county with a positive test.

Really hoping that they have an abnormally low death count from the infection.  A high count would be devastating mentally to that county.

[BlueDevil 9,295]

Cass County....man.  They are now at over 1,100 confirmed cases.  Happened very quickly there with like 90%+ percent of the cases coming from the recent outbreak at Tyson.  That's 3.4% of the county with a positive test.
Really hoping that they have an abnormally low death count from the infection.  A high count would be devastating mentally to that county.

As of right now we only have 1 confirmed death from a few weeks back.


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[RaceToTheTop 28,565]

Watching the numbers roll in throughout the week, this is the pattern I've picked up on:  the reports for death counts rolling in on Sunday and Monday are low;  reports from Tuesday through Saturday tend to be higher.  Keep in mind this is when the deaths get reported, not when they occurred.  You have to dig a whole lot deeper to find the number on the dates they occurred.  You can do so for Indiana but have to keep in mind that the latest daily totals will be behind as the following days catch up.

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1 minute ago, BlueDevil said:

 

As of right now we only have 1 confirmed death from a few weeks back.


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Correct.  LCS and I had a 'discussion' a while back and the data shows the average time between when a person dies from coronavirus and when they are infected is 23 days.  Hopefully in three to four weeks their totals buck the average trend for deaths per confirmed cases.

[Brass Cannon 25,175]

3 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Watching the numbers roll in throughout the week, this is the pattern I've picked up on:  the reports for death counts rolling in on Sunday and Monday are low;  reports from Tuesday through Saturday tend to be higher.  Keep in mind this is when the deaths get reported, not when they occurred.  You have to dig a whole lot deeper to find the number on the dates they occurred.  You can do so for Indiana but have to keep in mind that the latest daily totals will be behind as the following days catch up.

Had noticed same pattern. My guess is people reporting numbers are working 6 day weeks in a lot of places. Taking Sunday off then playing catch-up on Monday 

[mamasa 15,725]

Sooooo, back at clinic. They wanted to re-test as my shortness of breath has not diminished, and a couple of symptoms returned. I think it’s allergies/pollen, but they quarantined me again. But boy can I rock a mask!


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[Aaron 4,378]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/trump-says-he-s-issuing-order-for-tyson-s-unique-liability

I disagree with pretty much everything Trump has done but here I agree 100% with him. As I alluded to earlier in this thread you cannot close things that allow people to eat. I feel for these workers but unless we are closing hospitals, grocery stores, police etc. when a bunch of people test positive, a meat packing plant is every bit as important as these. People need to eat, especially admit the pandemic.

I feel for these workers, but unfortunately when you work in a service that sustains life you cannot close these things no matter how much Covid spreads there.  Remember I say this as a vegetarian.

Everyone stay safe and do your best to stay healthy. This is a lousy time.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,060]

Wow how did you go from this isn’t a hoax to that?  

There are two sides to this. Those who believe we take it seriously but at the same time realize it’s Avery unfortunate happening and that with some common sense, the country can open back up. That includes republicans and democrats. And it really depends where you live. They understand it’s complex but you can’t just shut the world down for a month. Then there is the other side. The side that knows there is a lot political gain in blaming everything on one person. That there is great political gain in the country failing under him. Now who do you think those would be? It’s a small group of people, but a powerful group.


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