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Class of '66 Old Fart

Coronavirus and Its Impact

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8bucks    6,578

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Note to Indiana website on coronavirus death count:  scroll over the 'i' next to the total deaths and it will tell that this total is the total with a confirmed positive coronavirus test.  They have added a new total near the bottom of the page for 'presumptive deaths'....and it states that the presumptive cases are ones that have been ones where an X-ray, CT scan, or full clinical picture is consistent with covid but no positive covid-19 test was documented for the individual.  The important part is that, as the site states, the presumptive cases in Indiana have NOT been included in the official death count.
Point is that the number of actual corona virus deaths in Indiana is likely higher, not lower, than the state listed death count.

That is a fair point but i am curious to see a comparison of average annual deaths from health related issues (heart, pneumonia, cancer etc..) once this is done and compare to this year. My guess is that we see a notable drop in those deaths. We definitely will have more deaths this year but the true impact on national mortality should take a comprehensive look at year on year mortality.




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Brass Cannon    24,982

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16 minutes ago, 8bucks said:


That is a fair point but i am curious to see a comparison of average annual deaths from health related issues (heart, pneumonia, cancer etc..) once this is done and compare to this year. My guess is that we see a notable drop in those deaths. We definitely will have more deaths this year but the true impact on national mortality should take a comprehensive look at year on year mortality.




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Somebody did a study in Michigan and subtracted COVID deaths from total deaths and it was still higher than previous years.  
 

I’ll try and find a link 

Edit. 
 

Here’s a link to his work. Can’t find his Michigan chart.  
 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries?fbclid=IwAR2txnzp71t8d3qhOXH9AnSOD3BCeUzLVJO5fERhxonf6F64i5NaGu5bmMU

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RaceToTheTop    26,916

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3 hours ago, BlueDevil said:

Cass County unofficially at 995 cases today


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The official count through yesterday (which would lag behind some) was 586.  And at 586, that put the ratio of positive cases to population as the highest for any county in Indiana BY A FACTOR OF  -- Marion County was the highest at about 50 cases per 10,000 people.  At 586 infections, Cass at 156 per 10,000 people (or 1 in 60 people).  995 cases would put it at under 1 in 40.  

Obviously the huge jump we are seeing is coming from testing all of the 2,200 employees at the Tyson plant.  I forgot who talked about it, but the factors are:  1.  Tyson was slow to act;  2.  Even acting properly, meat processing plants are simply not set up to prevent the spread of the virus.

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RaceToTheTop    26,916

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3 hours ago, 8bucks said:


That is a fair point but i am curious to see a comparison of average annual deaths from health related issues (heart, pneumonia, cancer etc..) once this is done and compare to this year. My guess is that we see a notable drop in those deaths. We definitely will have more deaths this year but the true impact on national mortality should take a comprehensive look at year on year mortality.




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I had read some similar studies to the one that Brass posted above and it was showing that the opposite seems at this point to be true.  The thinking is that some other health conditions are going left unchecked as there are less resources to be able to cover those conditions as well as people's reluctance to get conditions checked out for fear of contracting coronavirus going into a medical facility.

Completely anecdotal and not meaning to say anything about the issue, but I have a friend who was getting treated for cancer and was about to go into chemotherapy that would have left his immune system highly comprised while recovering from it.  The decision was made to wait on the chemotherapy (he is currently near Battle Rapids) not because putting off the treatment was the proper course of action in normal circumstances but because his compromised state would pretty much guarantee that he would die if he contracted the virus.

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BlueDevil    8,882

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The official count through yesterday (which would lag behind some) was 586.  And at 586, that put the ratio of positive cases to population as the highest for any county in Indiana BY A FACTOR OF  -- Marion County was the highest at about 50 cases per 10,000 people.  At 586 infections, Cass at 156 per 10,000 people (or 1 in 60 people).  995 cases would put it at under 1 in 40.  
Obviously the huge jump we are seeing is coming from testing all of the 2,200 employees at the Tyson plant.  I forgot who talked about it, but the factors are:  1.  Tyson was slow to act;  2.  Even acting properly, meat processing plants are simply not set up to prevent the spread of the virus.



I’m curious to see how many of the positive tests from Tyson are asymptomatic due to every employee being tested.


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RaceToTheTop    26,916

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17 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

 


I’m curious to see how many of the positive tests from Tyson are asymptomatic due to every employee being tested.


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I'm sure that there is a significant number that are.  I think the bigger issue is that those that are asymptomatic spreading it to other people.

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43 minutes ago, Napleshoosier said:

Come on at me weiners! Come on!

 

 

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Damn, Naples, you might want to use the quote feature.  Five posts in a row without using it and replying to posts makes you sound like the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving.  :)

 

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