Be careful what you wish for

[BGleas]

19 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I had actually thought about this the other day. Heck, maybe he’ll tire of the NBA and return to college in a few years. He might not have many years left but I wouldn’t mind him “rebuilding a culture” here before handing it off to a successor.


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Im not sure he’ll survive more than this season in Cleveland. A lot of unrest in Cleveland. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Im not sure he’ll survive more than this season in Cleveland. A lot of unrest in Cleveland. 

Him or Kevin Love. My guess Love gets moved and Beilein gets another year.


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[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Im not sure he’ll survive more than this season in Cleveland. A lot of unrest in Cleveland. 

Don’t they know they have to wait 4 years before they can judge him. 

[BGleas]

14 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Him or Kevin Love. My guess Love gets moved and Beilein gets another year.


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Love will definitely get moved. But, I don’t think he’s the only player not loving Beilein in Cleveland. 

[HoosierAloha]

Im not sure he’ll survive more than this season in Cleveland. A lot of unrest in Cleveland. 

Fans or management? That’s pretty tough giving up what he built at Michigan only to get canned after one season in the NBA.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Fans or management? That’s pretty tough giving up what he built at Michigan only to get canned after one season in the NBA.


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The players. Ya know it’s a players league after all.
Drafting Garland after having Sexton was pretty boneheaded in my opinion. Poor Kevin Love. Lol.


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[Old Friend]

On 1/4/2020 at 8:44 PM, JSHoosier said:

People being upset with Miller isn't because of Bob Knight.  It's because the same players are making the same mistakes and they're not being held accountable.  It's because we're 3 years in with no shooters and none coming in.  It's because last year the team thought effort was optional, and tonight we saw them quit.  It's because we see problems that aren't being addressed.  All of those will prevent winning games.  He'd be on thin ice at pUKe or Duke or UNC right now, but we're told we have to wait 5 years to even know what he is.

All 3 recruits next season are better shooters than anyone we have now.  Everything else in your post is fair, but that comment just isn't true.

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

All 3 recruits next season are better shooters than anyone we have now.  Everything else in your post is fair, but that comment just isn't true.

They are better shooters than we have now?  Even though they shoot lower percentages against high school level competition. Bold claim. 

[Golfman25]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

They are better shooters than we have now?  Even though they shoot lower percentages against high school level competition. Bold claim. 

That's called being the tallest midget.  

[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

They are better shooters than we have now?  Even though they shoot lower percentages against high school level competition. Bold claim. 

Little more to that story.  Leal, for example, shot 39% from the 3 point line a year ago and 51% as a sophomore.  You think he forgot how to shoot?  I don't know when people around here started to expect the worst and believe every negative thing they could find, but it's poison.  Fire everybody.  We need....anybody else!

[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Little more to that story.  Leal, for example, shot 39% from the 3 point line a year ago and 51% as a sophomore.  You think he forgot how to shoot?  I don't know when people around here started to expect the worst and believe every negative thing they could find, but it's poison.  Fire everybody.  We need....anybody else!

Do you think it’s a good thing his shooting is getting worse. 

[MikeRoberts]

Little more to that story.  Leal, for example, shot 39% from the 3 point line a year ago and 51% as a sophomore.  You think he forgot how to shoot?  I don't know when people around here started to expect the worst and believe every negative thing they could find, but it's poison.  Fire everybody.  We need....anybody else!

Do you have all 3 of our recruits 3 point percentages to share from this year? Just been told they aren’t great but haven’t seen numbers


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[hoohoome2]

4 hours ago, Old Friend said:

All 3 recruits next season are better shooters than anyone we have now.  Everything else in your post is fair, but that comment just isn't true.

No they’re not.  The knock on Galloway has always been his shooting.  I think Geronimo is going to be solid, but he’s not a shooter either.  Leal is the only one who has consistently knocked down 3s.

[southernindianahoosier2]

I haven’t seen anyone call for a mid-season change but if the administration isn’t looking for the next basketball coach they aren’t doing their jobs. 
That has to be a discussion that is happening behind the scenes. If this coach doesn’t make the tourney of 68 in year 3 after missing it in year 1 and 2 they have to be lining up buyout options and new coach options.
 
68 teams, that is a huge number of teams and we are nearing 3 years, really 5 in a row of not being a top 68 team.
 
That’s unfathomable
 
 
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How was there not a clause in his contract that said your buyout is reduced if you miss the tournament for three straight years.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

If we aren’t willing to cheat we need somebody who can develop players. Like Bennett and Bo Ryan. 
 
Personally I could care less if we started sending fed ex packages. 

We don’t need either. We need someone that can develop players and put butts back in seats, at games and at home. Right now there’s no excitement. We have a big time recruit, but a crappy offense that’s beyond boring. A Bennett or Ryan wouldn’t fix that. Because it’s still in IU’s blood to play a great smart offense and put points on the board. Scoring 37, even with a win, wouldn’t be tolerated here. We need someone that can win recruitments, win over fans with charisma and that has an offense that actually works.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

The players. Ya know it’s a players league after all.
Drafting Garland after having Sexton was pretty boneheaded in my opinion. Poor Kevin Love. Lol.


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They were going for the Portland model. Lillard and McCollum are both PG’s and about 6-3. Both can score and facilitate. Is that going to work with those 2? No clue, but we’ll have to wait another year or two probably with how young they are to see.


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[JSHoosier]

6 hours ago, Old Friend said:

All 3 recruits next season are better shooters than anyone we have now.  Everything else in your post is fair, but that comment just isn't true.

I haven't seen a large sample for Leal, but what I saw was mid 30s this year.  Couldn't find numbers for Geronimo but what I found basically summed him up as an athlete with potential still developing in terms of skills.  Galloway I haven't seen but will look.

None of what I found says they'll step in and address our shooting need, but could be solid pieces in the future.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Just from the 2 or 3 games I've watched Geronimo is not a 3-point shooter.  Not that he can't make them, just that in St. Paul's games he's not called on to shoot them.  Of the 3, IMO Leal will be the only true 3-point threat unless Galloway makes strides with his outside shooting.  

[Chris007]

16 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Just from the 2 or 3 games I've watched Geronimo is not a 3-point shooter.  Not that he can't make them, just that in St. Paul's games he's not called on to shoot them.  Of the 3, IMO Leal will be the only true 3-point threat unless Galloway makes strides with his outside shooting.  

I watched Leal this last weekend, I don't know what his 3 point percentage is but not sure how seriously you can take it with their schedule. They won both Friday and Saturday by 40. So these are not serious game 3's in some of these games. Plus against some of the competition he can get to the rim anytime he wants. I like him a lot but I'm saying don't hold his percentage to this is what he is a type of numbers. 

[Old Friend]

21 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Do you have all 3 of our recruits 3 point percentages to share from this year? Just been told they aren’t great but haven’t seen numbers


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I don't.  I have seen Leal play once, and he was pretty good.  Did more inside than out because people were running at him and doubling him on the perimeter.  He's a good shooter as is Geronimo.  Galloway is more of a driver than a shooter.  His game reminds me of Pete Maravich....meaning only that he's "different."  Creative would be a good word.  He's also a very willing defender.