2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[Crimson and Cream]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Scratch that NKU hires Darrin Horn as its next coach


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Good hire for them

[Feathery]

1 hour ago, Crimson and Cream said:

Working the offense to get better looks from 3 would help too. Hopefully Archie spends time reworking the offense this summer like he's done with the defense.

Absolutely. While we did miss a ton of wide open 3s this year. I think Archie needs to improve as well. He is still an extremely young coach who needs to keep progressing himself. 

[Hornsby]

We will be looking at the guys on the roster to improve. 
Green is already above 40%
Durham already jumped his shot 7% from his freshman year. Another decent jump and he is above 40%. 
Phinisee, healthy, is a 35% or greater shooter next year. 
Those are the 3 guys who will be playing the most minutes regardless of recruits we are looking at to play in the backcourt. 
The hope is a healthy Hunter adds another shooter who is shooting 35/40%. 

Sounds nice but i still think we were the worst on threes in the league. I thought people wanted a pure shooter. I simply dont think they can feel good about next year without adding shooters. What if one if those guys gets hurt? What if hunter doesnt play?

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[Brass Cannon]

The largest component of our issues with 3s was we didn’t have the right people shooting our 3s. 

[Uspshoosier]

Indiana players on the NBA Draft early-entry list just released by the leauge:

 

Romeo Langford

Devonte Green

Justin Smith

Aljami Durham

@Jeff Rabjohns

 

 

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[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Indiana players on the NBA Draft early-entry list just released by the leauge:

 

Romeo Langford

Devonte Green

Justin Smith

Aljami Durham

@Jeff Rabjohns

 

 

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3 cheers for info from students 

[Capt. Crimson]

Indiana players on the NBA Draft early-entry list just released by the leauge:
 
Romeo Langford
Devonte Green
Justin Smith
Aljami Durham
[mention=3154]Jeff[/mention] Rabjohns
 
 
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Rabby is gonna make an excellent center. His post moves are unparalleled.


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[Capt. Crimson]

Forrester to Temple


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[Hoosier1984]

Indiana players on the NBA Draft early-entry list just released by the leauge:

 

Romeo Langford

Devonte Green

Justin Smith

Aljami Durham

[mention=3154]Jeff[/mention] Rabjohns

 

 

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Heck of a starting 5

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Heck of a starting 5
 
 
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Lol.

A kid that can’t make a shot anywhere on the court.

2 super streaky shooters. One that can finish and one that gets pushed around all over the court.

One that plays like an NBA all star for 3 or 4 minutes but more often makes boneheaded plays that most middle school coaches would bench you for.

Then Rabby.

I realize it’s their dream but man, sometimes people are delusional.

I realize this isn’t a popular take each and every year but to me it’s just crazy.


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[Capt. Crimson]

Lol.

A kid that can’t make a shot anywhere on the court.

2 super streaky shooters. One that can finish and one that gets pushed around all over the court.

One that plays like an NBA all star for 3 or 4 minutes but more often makes boneheaded plays that most middle school coaches would bench you for.

Then Rabby.

I realize it’s their dream but man, sometimes people are delusional.

I realize this isn’t a popular take each and every year but to me it’s just crazy.


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Rabby just wants to ball!


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[Feathery]

8 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Sounds nice but i still think we were the worst on threes in the league. I thought people wanted a pure shooter. I simply dont think they can feel good about next year without adding shooters. What if one if those guys gets hurt? What if hunter doesnt play?

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None of the guys we are looking at are pure shooters. We were terrible at 3’s last year because Romeo and Juwan. They were 2 of the worst % 3 pt shooters. Romeo has the highest attempts of 3’s and Juwan was 4th in attempts. Those two killed our % as a team. The wrong guys were taking the open shots. If the 3 above were taking the shots, it’s a different story. 

[ray]

4 hours ago, Feathery said:

None of the guys we are looking at are pure shooters. We were terrible at 3’s last year because Romeo and Juwan. They were 2 of the worst % 3 pt shooters. Romeo has the highest attempts of 3’s and Juwan was 4th in attempts. Those two killed our % as a team. The wrong guys were taking the open shots. If the 3 above were taking the shots, it’s a different story. 

All players who attempted at least one three-pointer in 2018-2019 (games - makes/attempts per game):

Vijay Blackmon .500 (7 games - 0.1-0.3)

Devonte Green .410 (28 games - 1.7/4.2)

Al Durham .348 (34 games - 1.2/3.4)

Rob Phinissee .310 (32 games - 0.8/2.7)

Evan Fitzner .309 (31 games - 0.5/1.8)

Juwan Morgan .295 (35 games - 0.7/2.5)

Romeo Langford .272 (32 games - 1.1/3.9)

Demezi Anderson .233 (21 games - 0.3/1.4)

Justin Smith .219 (35 games - 0.2/0.9)

Zach McRoberts .211 (26 games - 0.2/0.7)

 

Excluding Vijay Blackmon and Demezi Anderson:

Three highest volume shooters (in order) - Devonte Green, Romeo Langford, and Al Durham = .347

Three next three highest volume shooters (in order) - Rob Phinisee, Juwan Morgan, and Evan Fitzner = .286

Three best shooters statistically (in order) - Devonte Green, Al Durham, Rob Phinisee = .358

Three worst shooters statistically (in order) - Zach McRobers, Justin Smith, Romeo Langford = .273 (Demezi shot more per game than Zach McRoberts or Justin Smith)

*NOTE:  The three highest volume three-point shooters were not the most optimal three, but their combined percentage wasn't much lower than the three best three-point shooters. My point in saying that is the best case for last year would have been Devonte Green and Al Durham taking all the threes, as the third best three-point shooter's percentage (Rob Phinisee's) wasn't much better than Juwan Morgan's - Juwan was 26 for 88 and Rob was 27 for 87):

 

The two best three point shooters (perhaps the only two respectable three-point shooters?):

Devonte Green and Al Durham = .382

* if Indiana shot that well as a team, then it would have been very respectable)

 

The two noted above as ruining the team percentage:

Romeo Langford and Juwan Morgan = .281

As compared to:

Romeo Langford and Rob Phinisee = .287

 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, ray said:

All players who attempted at least one three pointer in 2018-2019 (games - makes/attempts per game):

Vijay Blackmon .500 (7 games - 0.1-0.3)

Devonte Green .410 (28 games - 1.7/4.2)

Al Durham .348 (34 games - 1.2/3.4)

Rob Phinissee .310 (32 games - 0.8/2.7)

Evan Fitzner .309 (31 games - 0.5/1.8)

Juwan Morgan .295 (35 games - 0.7/2.5)

Romeo Langford .272 (32 games - 1.1/3.9)

Demezi Anderson .233 (21 games - 0.3/1.4)

Justin Smith .219 (35 games - 0.2/0.9)

Zach McRoberts .211 (26 games - 0.2/0.7)

 

Excluding Vijay Blackmon and Demezi Anderson:

Three highest volume shooters (in order) - Devonte Green, Romeo Langford, and Al Durham = .347

Three next three highest volume shooters (in order) - Rob Phinisee, Juwan Morgan, and Evan Fitzner = .286

Three best shooters statistically (in order) - Devonte Green, Al Durham, Rob Phinisee = .358

Three worst shooters statistically (in order) - Zach McRobers, Justin Smith, Romeo Langford = .273 (Demezi shot more per game than Zach McRoberts or Justin Smith)

*NOTE:  The three highest volume shooters were not the most optimal three, but their combined percentage wasn't much lower than the three best three point shooters. My point in saying that is the best case for last year would have been Devonte Green and Al Durham taking all the threes (as Rob Phinisee's percentage wasn't much better than Juwan Morgan's - Juwan was 26 for 88 and Rob was 27 for 87):

 

The two best three point shooters (perhaps the only two respectable three-point shooters?):

Devonte Green and Al Durham = .382

* if Indiana shot that well as a team, then it would have been very respectable)

 

The two noted above as ruining the team percentage:

Romeo Langford and Juwan Morgan = .281

As compared to:

Romeo Langford and Rob Phinisee = .287

 

This is bad stats. You can’t just average 2 players stats without accounting for attempts. I’d break it down more but currently holding a toddler

[ray]

12 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

This is bad stats. You can’t just average 2 players stats without accounting for attempts. I’d break it down more but currently holding a toddler

I did account for attempts (on a per game basis), so I don't know what you're talking about.  Best of luck finding more accuracy with your math once the toddler can be freed from your arms.  

I'm busy too, or I would run the numbers differently to find the overall attempts and makes per player, but for general purposes this will suffice.  I ran the numbers by a per game basis, which regardless if it meets your expectations, it's still not "bad stats".

I'm not usually one to get crappy, but your first line is "this is bad stats".  It's not.

[Brass Cannon]

If the whole pretext is the wrong players were shooting the 3s you can't just combine two with our most prolific shooter. Juwan and Morgan with Romeo in this case. It diminishes difference between Juwan and Rob. Your arbitrarily weighting to make the impact less severe. To try and hide the fact that a sub 30% shouldn't be shooting more than 1 attempt a game  

Our offense was completely broken because who was taking our 3 pointers. Look at Virginia. They only had 3 players at or around 40% but because those guys took over  70 percent of their 3s. Probably over 80 if you remove garbage time. Their offense was one of the most efficient in the country. 

[Hillsdale87]

If the whole pretext is the wrong players were shooting the 3s you can't just combine two with our most prolific shooter. Juwan and Morgan with Romeo in this case. It diminishes difference between Juwan and Rob. Your arbitrarily weighting to make the impact less severe. To try and hide the fact that a sub 30% shouldn't be shooting more than 1 attempt a game  
Our offense was completely broken because who was taking our 3 pointers. Look at Virginia. They only had 3 players at or around 40% but because those guys took over  70 percent of their 3s. Probably over 80 if you remove garbage time. Their offense was one of the most efficient in the country. 

Rob and Juwan's stats were basically the same. Rob made 1 more 3 on 1 less attempt. There's technically a difference, but the impact is meaningless. Rob was a bad 3 point shooter. I expect him to get better


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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Free Jurkin! said:

Rob and Juwan's stats were basically the same. Rob made 1 more 3 on 1 less attempt. There's technically a difference, but the impact is meaningless. Rob was a bad 3 point shooter. I expect him to get better


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I wouldn’t call 1.5% difference basically the same. Besides his non-concussion numbers are better. 

[Hillsdale87]

I wouldn’t call 1.5% difference basically the same. Besides his non-concussion numbers are better. 

1 3 pointer over the course of 30 games is just statistical noise. His non-concussion numbers were about 30 shots, so that's not enough to really make a judgment on his shooting. Al was also shooting really well early in the season and his performance came back as the season went along. We really have no idea how much the concussion affected him. It's a convenient excuse for poorer play, but it's just as likely that he wore down as a freshman facing the toughest competition he's seen so far.

That said, I'm not worried about him. Playing PG in the big 10 as a freshman is hard, so not shocking that shooting suffered. Yogi was a bad shooter his first year too.


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[ray]

2 hours ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Rob and Juwan's stats were basically the same. Rob made 1 more 3 on 1 less attempt. There's technically a difference, but the impact is meaningless. Rob was a bad 3 point shooter. I expect him to get better


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Exactly.  Thank you.

First of all, and contrary to Brass Cannon's assumptions, I was not bringing out "arbitrary stats" to prove the wrong two players were shooting the three (that was someone else's argument and the "pretext" for my stat findings).  Instead, I pulled up real stats.  My point was merely to say we only had two above average three-point shooters...and the stats don't lie. 

Secondly, I could have given numerous two and three player combinations.  However, I didn't want to take the time because I'm busy too...and I felt a couple examples using Indiana's three best and three worst shooters as well as those players who shot the most by volume, coupled with a few other examples (to compare Romeo and Juwan shooting too often to Romeo and Rob shooting too often...could have used Evan or almost anyone, but used Rob because he was Indiana's third best shooter and it still would have been subpar) would be sufficient in proving my point that it wasn't two players shooting poorly...rather, it was the entire team, with the exception of two players.  Brass Cannon can mix and match players however he likes and he'll come up with the same results...we had two players who shot the ball well behind the line.  It wasn't me who said the wrong players shot the ball too often...I merely pointed out that the entire team was a poor three-point shooting team.  And, if the post I replied to suggests we want only good shooters shooting from deep, then I've given the only two decent options on last year's roster.

Lastly, Free Jurkin, I expect Rob to improve as well. 

My stats weren't arbitrary and I used them to prove my point.  The stats are in the books and the truth is Indiana only had two players who shot the ball well from deep.  I agree with the original post that Romeo and Juwan shot it too much, but I believe the entire team relied too heavily on the three when it was apparent Indiana wasn't a good three-point shooting team.