The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[SlamaJamaSisley]

Just now, HoosierFan1994 said:

It depends. Is he a locker room problem? If so, addition by subtraction. This team needs guys who will play for Indiana and Archie Miller. Outside of Rob, Al, De'Ron, and Race that was hard to find on a consistent basis last year. 

I agree with you completely if that is the case.  If so, he should find somewhere else to play.  It's tough to build anything if everyone isn't marching to the beat of the same drum.

[AKHoosier]

16 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Agreed. He has more defensive versatility than anybody else. Effort and focus was an issue, but he could switch 1-5. Consistent focus would give the defense a really high ceiling


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What you said is true, but I just wouldn't count on that out of some players who shall remain nameless.

If you haven't shown enough consistency and focus after your sophomore year, especially when your team needed you to, then you probably won't in your next two years.  You are who you are at this point.

Maybe that's a coaching issue too, I don't know.

[HoosierFan1994]

37 minutes ago, InArchWeTrust said:

I agree with you completely if that is the case.  If so, he should find somewhere else to play.  It's tough to build anything if everyone isn't marching to the beat of the same drum.

I hate losing players but that is how it goes now. 

[HinnyHoosier]

Maybe his impending jump to the portal explains the supposed anti-social demeanor during last night's public sighting as was deftly reported earlier this morning


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[TXHoosierDaddy]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

It depends. Is he a locker room problem? If so, addition by subtraction. This team needs guys who will play for Indiana and Archie Miller. Outside of Rob, Al, De'Ron, and Race that was hard to find on a consistent basis last year. 

Exactly. I mean we have no idea what went on behind closed doors or what the dynamic was with him and his teammates. I did see him give minimal effort at certain times and what looked like some pouting when he did not get the ball. His dad kind of validated some of it on twitter. I know other guys like Green had moments like this too. Either grow up and continue to work hard or get out. 

[CrossboneIU22]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Might be a good day to check out the transfer portal. 

Anyone know how to check the transfer portal?

[HoosierDYT]

I’m kinda hoping smith doesn’t transfer. It’s hard to find versatile upperclassman wings. Just would need him to learn from devonte and have a change of heart, plus a huge offseason to develop actual basketball skills.

 

Could be a long shot, but if he gets his attitude right, the talent is obviously worth keeping

 

 

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[Cheaney40]

Smith? Damezi?

I dunno...I just saw Justin Smith walking to class and he was looking pretty timid....

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[HoosierFan1994]

28 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Exactly. I mean we have no idea what went on behind closed doors or what the dynamic was with him and his teammates. I did see him give minimal effort at certain times and what looked like some pouting when he did not get the ball. His dad kind of validated some of it on twitter. I know other guys like Green had moments like this too. Either grow up and continue to work hard or get out. 

Bingo. I think all of these guys are great kids. Everyone is wired different. I don't mean to compare a fraternity to a basketball program but we had members drop all the time. They weren't bad people. It was because it wasn't a good fit for them and the passion wasn't there. I saw a lot of that this year like you did. 

[Hovadipo]

1 hour ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

Anyone know how to check the transfer portal?

Pretty sure only athletic departments have access to it. 

Edit: The actual NCAA portal, that is. That stuff gets out quick. 

[VO5]

2 hours ago, InArchWeTrust said:

As frustrating as he can be at times, I think losing Smith will/would be a bigger loss than people think.  

I disagree if he is part of the culture problem. Idc how talented he is. When you have obvious issues with the coach on the court and your dad is calling him out on Twitter, that’s a massive issue. We don’t need that in the program

[SlamaJamaSisley]

12 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I disagree if he is part of the culture problem. Idc how talented he is. When you have obvious issues with the coach on the court and your dad is calling him out on Twitter, that’s a massive issue. We don’t need that in the program

Yes, and I commented on another post he should go if that is for sure the case.  

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1 hour ago, InArchWeTrust said:

Yes, and I commented on another post he should go if that is for sure the case.  

I agree barring absolute attitude problems he helps the team 

[Aeggie]

On 4/5/2019 at 8:11 AM, AKHoosier said:

What you said is true, but I just wouldn't count on that out of some players who shall remain nameless.

If you haven't shown enough consistency and focus after your sophomore year, especially when your team needed you to, then you probably won't in your next two years.  You are who you are at this point.

Maybe that's a coaching issue too, I don't know.

Players definitely aren't finished products after their sophomore year, it wasn't that long ago that Yogi got better his junior year and his senior year too. Troy had a much stronger junior season that his sophomore year. Most rising juniors can still get a lot better, whether they do or not is up to them but they have a chance to do that. We've seen players that haven't always had enough consistently and focus as sophomores become really strong upperclassmen here at Indiana and around the country.

I think having more upperclassmen on the roster next year is ideal so I'm hoping we retain Durham and Smith. Durham had a better season than most expected so I'm excited to see what he could do in another summer and Justin still has a chance to turn things around. We'll see but if he wants to buckle in and return I think keeping someone that has been drilling our defense's principles as long as Justin has is probably preferable to most of the new pieces we could get with another available spot. We already have 3 spots to fill. We're not going to be able to add 4 players better than Justin.

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[IUHoosier5]

The other day I wrote about watching Justin Smith and a lot of you got the wrong impression. Let me explain since I was a wee bit inebriated.

 

The whole time he was at this party he seemed uncomfortable, and for a good portion of it he was right in front of where I was standing so it wasn’t like I was studying him from afar. He was right there. Anyways, in the past JBJ, OG, Thomas Bryant, and more would come through and talk to everyone. Justin wasn’t like that. He stood around his couple guy friends and didn’t want to be recognized. To me, that’s odd. You’re a celebrity on campus and people want to see you. Then he put his hood over his hair. I thought that was bizarre. To me, that says something about his confidence levels but maybe I’m looking too far into it. I’d expect him to want to entertain others like former players did in the past, and he didn’t want that at all.

 

All in all, seems like a decent dude...just not what I’d expect from an iubb player. Wish him the best no matter what.

 

 

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[Hoosierfan2017]

16 minutes ago, IUHoosier5 said:

The other day I wrote about watching Justin Smith and a lot of you got the wrong impression. Let me explain since I was a wee bit inebriated.

 

The whole time he was at this party he seemed uncomfortable, and for a good portion of it he was right in front of where I was standing so it wasn’t like I was studying him from afar. He was right there. Anyways, in the past JBJ, OG, Thomas Bryant, and more would come through and talk to everyone. Justin wasn’t like that. He stood around his couple guy friends and didn’t want to be recognized. To me, that’s odd. You’re a celebrity on campus and people want to see you. Then he put his hood over his hair. I thought that was bizarre. To me, that says something about his confidence levels but maybe I’m looking too far into it. I’d expect him to want to entertain others like former players did in the past, and he didn’t want that at all.

 

All in all, seems like a decent dude...just not what I’d expect from an iubb player. Wish him the best no matter what.

 

 

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It could just be that he wanted to enjoy a night out without the usual fanfare he gets being an IU player. The attention's probably cool sometimes, but it would kinda suck to never be able to go out without people flocking to you. Especially if you have more of a reserved personality and aren't outgoing like a Thomas Bryant. 

[IUHoosier5]

It could just be that he wanted to enjoy a night out without the usual fanfare he gets being an IU player. The attention's probably cool sometimes, but it would kinda suck to never be able to go out without people flocking to you. Especially if you have more of a reserved personality and aren't outgoing like a Thomas Bryant. 

Yep, you could totally be right.


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[HoosierHoops1]

On 4/11/2019 at 10:37 PM, Iugradman said:

IU was the healthiest it had ever been against Ohio State and laid a complete egg in what was essentially an NCAA tournament play-in game.

The health of 1 or 2 games isn't the important factor, it's having the opportunity to gel and for guys to get used to their proper role.

[RaceToTheTop]

On 4/11/2019 at 4:17 PM, MikeRoberts said:

Crean did that pretty regularly. Would you say he crushed it in recruiting?

 

It’s about getting who you want and we have seen kid after kid say no to us. That’s not momentum. McDonalds all-American or 3*, it doesn’t matter. I just want Archie to get the guys he goes after and he hasn’t been

 

 

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Who gets all the guys they want?

[RaceToTheTop]

On 4/11/2019 at 9:37 PM, Iugradman said:

IU was the healthiest it had ever been against Ohio State and laid a complete egg in what was essentially an NCAA tournament play-in game.

Cool....they were at their healthiest (sans Hunter still) and had players still trying to gel because they had hardly been on the court together all season.