Game thread : IU vs Iowa - 12/4

[goonaha 2,972]

How exactly do you know he's "high IQ"? 

[mdn82 25,510]

Woah, woah, woah, pump the brakes man.  I didn't say he's the second coming.  I just said he's smart, tough and athletically above average.  And pointed out that he can hang with the blue bloods as he did last year.  Most importantly, I said he's young.  And as you just pointed out through time he'll more than likely get better.  He didn't play as a Small Forward for his high school so I betting there's a learning curve for him as well. With his intelligence it wouldn't surprise me that we'll see a significant change next year.  I could be wrong.  Personally, I wouldn't place him at the Small Forward position.  I see him more as a possible stretch, but that's stretching it too.  Maybe a forward-center?  He might need to bulk up to play that position too.  He's one of those tweeners if that makes any sense.  I don't get paid to make those calls and I'm glad I don't have to.  Regardless, the main point of my post was to point out that I don't think Crean wasn't interested him.

The biggest problem for him was his AAU team. He was not on a quality AAU team that leads to high majors. I don’t know how we deduce our interest level in him when it wasn’t there anymore than a passing viewing. I don’t know where we came up with Crean was interested in him. Crean was interested in many players every year to various degrees. Personally from tracking this stuff I don’t think Crean was that interested. Part of the problem with the Pocket City AAU team is who runs it. Crean was not biggest fan and vice versa. Things like that can turn you away from players if they aren’t elite and if they are elite they play for IE or Spiece.


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[schoosier 3,480]

5 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I'm glad that Bardo mentioned RoJo's rebounding effort. He was getting up there and pulling down some nice boards. I think he had 5 rebounds in the first half.

The flip side is De'Ron doesn't seem to rebound well. I don't know if it's position, hands, or what. De'Ron should be pulling down 8-10 boards a game. Instead, he's getting 5 or so a game.

Davis seems to always be out of position on rebounds. I'm not sold on him boxing out or doing the little things it takes to be a good rebounder either. With his size he should own the glass.

[Lebowski 2,741]

1 hour ago, goonaha said:

How exactly do you know he's "high IQ"? 

Not sure if this makes me qualified but I'm from his area and watched him play multiple seasons at Castle.  He pretty much ran his team on the floor.  Last year he had a guard to help him.  But he was essentially the coach on the floor for his team.  He was really knowledgeable with situations etc. etc. and he progressed through the years.  I think his GPA was tops among his class.  Or something of that nature.  Not to mention he's a good kid with a great family to back him up.  But that doesn't mean poop with his basketball IQ.  I just wanted to through that in there.  ;-)

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[Lebowski 2,741]

47 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

The biggest problem for him was his AAU team. He was not on a quality AAU team that leads to high majors. I don’t know how we deduce our interest level in him when it wasn’t there anymore than a passing viewing. I don’t know where we came up with Crean was interested in him. Crean was interested in many players every year to various degrees. Personally from tracking this stuff I don’t think Crean was that interested. Part of the problem with the Pocket City AAU team is who runs it. Crean was not biggest fan and vice versa. Things like that can turn you away from players if they aren’t elite and if they are elite they play for IE or Spiece.


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That's interesting man.  I don't have a clue regarding AAU and all the politics.  Thanks for sharing.  

[dbmhoosier 851]

23 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Not sure if this makes me qualified but I'm from his area and watched him play multiple seasons at Castle.  He pretty much ran his team on the floor.  Last year he had a guard to help him.  But he was essentially the coach on the floor for his team.  He was really knowledgeable with situations etc. etc. and he progressed through the years.  I think his GPA was tops among his class.  Or something of that nature.  Not to mention he's a good kid with a great family to back him up.  But that doesn't mean poop with his basketball IQ.  I just wanted to through that in there.  ;-)

It's too bad he went to Iowa where he's going to lose a bunch of games.  We should've taken him and not Moore.

[Lebowski 2,741]

1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said:

It's too bad he went to Iowa where he's going to lose a bunch of games.  We should've taken him and not Moore.

Man, I totally agree.   I would have loved to see him in candy stripes but I just don't think it was going to happen.  The kid is all in with Iowa.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

It's too bad he went to Iowa where he's going to lose a bunch of games.  We should've taken him and not Moore.

Not exactly an available option. It was Moore or someone else once CAM got here. I like Moore’s potential.


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[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

5 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

It's too bad he went to Iowa where he's going to lose a bunch of games.  We should've taken him and not Moore.

Didn't someone just post an article that Nunge was Fran's neighbor growing up? I don't think he was coming here regardless. Nunge may end up as the better player but I like our chances with Moore.

[dbmhoosier 851]

39 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Didn't someone just post an article that Nunge was Fran's neighbor growing up? I don't think he was coming here regardless. Nunge may end up as the better player but I like our chances with Moore.

Moore could very well be the next transfer.  We have Race and Forrester coming in next year who are CAM guys and will have Davis and Morgan back as well.  Then the very real possibility of TJD and Brooks in 2019.

[cthomas 6,455]

18 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

Moore could very well be the next transfer.  We have Race and Forrester coming in next year who are CAM guys and will have Davis and Morgan back as well.  Then the very real possibility of TJD and Brooks in 2019.

Looking at our current roster and the kids we have coming in, I wonder about who will stick it out and who will bail. Coach Miller doesn't just throw kids onto the court during games like our previous coach seemed to do and in today's culture kids don't want to wait their turn. Given CAM's propensity for tighter rotations, I would expect some unhappy guys on the bench. We aren't recruiting kids that can't play, and yet given the minutes available, some inevitably won't.

[cappymo14 2,276]

The biggest problem for him was his AAU team. He was not on a quality AAU team that leads to high majors. I don’t know how we deduce our interest level in him when it wasn’t there anymore than a passing viewing. I don’t know where we came up with Crean was interested in him. Crean was interested in many players every year to various degrees. Personally from tracking this stuff I don’t think Crean was that interested. Part of the problem with the Pocket City AAU team is who runs it. Crean was not biggest fan and vice versa. Things like that can turn you away from players if they aren’t elite and if they are elite they play for IE or Spiece.


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I’ve heard this before, about Crean’s less than perfect relationship with some of the AAU coaches etc. Do you have any feel for how Archie has blended with some of these relationships or with the HS coaches? I say that knowing full well it’s probably too early to tell, but I was sort of wondering about this recently. I know it can be something more than just a small factor in recruiting.


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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Moore could very well be the next transfer.  We have Race and Forrester coming in next year who are CAM guys and will have Davis and Morgan back as well.  Then the very real possibility of TJD and Brooks in 2019.

It's possible that Moore transfers but he'll play if he develops. Forrester will be in Moore's spot this time next season. We could also see a few of these 6-8 to 6-10 kids playing on the floor together. Brooks could also play more on the wing.

2018-2019
Center - Davis, Forrester
Power Forwards - Morgan, Moore, Thompson

2019-2020
Center - Davis, Forrester, Jackson-Davis
Power Forwards - Moore, Jackson-Davis, Thompson

I think we really need a solid versatile stable of 5 players for those spots. Moore and Forrester might be not have the bulk needed to guard the post but they'll need to be able to back it up. Ditto for Jackson-Davis.


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[Bailey7878 2,506]

It's possible that Moore transfers but he'll play if he develops. Forrester will be in Moore's spot this time next season. We could also see a few of these 6-8 to 6-10 kids playing on the floor together. Brooks could also play more on the wing.

2018-2019
Center - Davis, Forrester
Power Forwards - Morgan, Moore, Thompson

2019-2020
Center - Davis, Forrester, Jackson-Davis
Power Forwards - Moore, Jackson-Davis, Thompson

I think we really need a solid versatile stable of 5 players for those spots. Moore and Forrester might be not have the bulk needed to guard the post but they'll need to be able to back it up. Ditto for Jackson-Davis.


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Missed the game since
I was out of town. Sounds like we did well. Anyway I think Moore will leave since he is not playing. Sounds like a typical crean diamond in the ruff guy. Lol. He is clearly nowhere near ready or hed be getting at least 10 mns a game.

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[goonaha 2,972]

It's December. He's a freshmen. Hot take central in here.

[mdn82 25,510]

I’ve heard this before, about Crean’s less than perfect relationship with some of the AAU coaches etc. Do you have any feel for how Archie has blended with some of these relationships or with the HS coaches? I say that knowing full well it’s probably too early to tell, but I was sort of wondering about this recently. I know it can be something more than just a small factor in recruiting.


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I haven’t talked to anyone in AAU circles but high school coaches really like him so far. Usually the AAU coaches follow along with how the high school coaches feel.


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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Missed the game since
I was out of town. Sounds like we did well. Anyway I think Moore will leave since he is not playing. Sounds like a typical crean diamond in the ruff guy. Lol. He is clearly nowhere near ready or hed be getting at least 10 mns a game.

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Smith' minutes have dropped considerably in the past three. Durham has also been extremely conservative in the minutes he's played, especially against Dook and at Michigan.

They're freshman. They're not highly rated and haven't played at this speed. I could see Moore sticking around and getting decent minutes next season. (10-15 a night)

We don't/won't have size behind Davis. We'll need a combo of Morgan, smith, Moore, Thompson, and Forrester to play together when Davis is on the bench. A year in the system to get a better feel and 20 pounds, Moore could be that lengthy defender to get minutes.

Moore will determine how many minutes he'll get next season. If he doesn't really want to work for it he'll find a new place.


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[mamasa 15,302]

I'd think (and hope) that CAM's recruiting (or in this case, retaining commitment) talks would be realistic, in that the players understand his system.  I've heard stories of CTC promising several recruits that they were the #1 focus, that they'd play immediately.  We, as fans, have to learn to be patient (hahahahaha) in the development of players. Hopefully, players that play for CAM understand that it's a system of learning and earning a spot, whether it's immediate or 2-3 years into their commitment.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I'd think (and hope) that CAM's recruiting (or in this case, retaining commitment) talks would be realistic, in that the players understand his system.  I've heard stories of CTC promising several recruits that they were the #1 focus, that they'd play immediately.  We, as fans, have to learn to be patient (hahahahaha) in the development of players. Hopefully, players that play for CAM understand that it's a system of learning and earning a spot, whether it's immediate or 2-3 years into their commitment.

Consistently great programs do a few things we need to start doing; recruiting well to the system and developing talent. I was one of a few that actually liked the Forrester commit. He's not a top 50 kid but I look for him to develop into a solid rotation player as an upperclassmen.

If he can bulk up and add some wing skills he'll be an important contributor. I don't see us having two 6-10+ "bigs" here for awhile. Forester can be a 4 who, combined with another stretch 4, can defend well enough while our starting Big is on the bench.

As BGleas pointed out, I think we'll likely see CAM and staff go for a point and big with 3 wings. I could see two smaller wings and a "big wing" typically on the floor. Morgan, Moore, Thompson, Forrester, and hopefully Jackson-Davis, Watford, or Brooks would be that type of big wing. If we land talented big wings like Watford or Brooks I could see them playing more as a 3 and a few of them together.


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