Post Game Discussion : Duke 91 Indiana 81

[JSHoosier]

Only 9 turnovers, and none in the first 15 minutes.  That's a refreshing change of pace.

That's what you want in a blue blood match-up, two heavyweights trading punches.  IU needs post depth in a bad way though.

[JSHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Sota Hoosier said:

We are currently #219 on defense. Despite the improvements on defense (which there have been), there is a long way to go on D. Duke can beat you in so many ways it's almost not fair but I thought we had solid stretches of good defense last night.

If you look at the box score, the overall stats are very similar between the two teams. We just missed free throws and couldn't convert on a couple threes.

Very proud of how the guys competed and how well Archie had them prepared. How would a Crean team perform while only going 5/21 from three??? I think there is a lot this team can accomplish this season and I'm excited to see how they progress.

If a Crean team went 5/21 from 3 against that Duke team, they'd have been down 30.

[SlamaJamaSisley]

I haven't read through the entire thread so sorry if this has already been shared here but I love the Above the Rim replay of the game.  Fans were as expected, incredible!  http://www.espn.com/watch/player?id=3230175   (headphones recommended)

[mark1981]

1 hour ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Some girl was "dancing" behind Bilas as he talked to Scott Van Pelt after the game.

What happened?


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[Sota Hoosier]

29 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

If a Crean team went 5/21 from 3 against that Duke team, they'd have been down 30.

Exactly. It's scary to even think about what would have happened.

[323SGrant]

Exactly. It's scary to even think about what would have happened.

This may have been previously mentioned, but I thought Moore would provide more by this point in the season.


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[Stromboli]

7 minutes ago, 323SGrant said:

This may have been previously mentioned, but I thought Moore would provide more by this point in the season.


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Clifton Less

[Old Friend]

10 minutes ago, 323SGrant said:

This may have been previously mentioned, but I thought Moore would provide more by this point in the season.


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He was a project and one of those guys Crean found he probably felt was a diamond in the rough and out-thought the room.  Clifton Moore was not highly regarded for many reasons, but one is he's just not ready.   He's thin, he's not strong with the ball; and frankly, he's not all that talented.  A 6'10" kid who's better on the perimeter.  We saw last night how valuable paint bigs are.  

 InsidetheHall wrote about him as a "sleeper."   Yawn.  Crean and his "sleepers."  I've kinda' had enough of "sleepers."  I'd rather know what I'm getting, whatever that is.

[JSHoosier]

32 minutes ago, 323SGrant said:

This may have been previously mentioned, but I thought Moore would provide more by this point in the season.


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I wasn't high on him to begin with.  IMO it says a lot for where he is that he couldn't get time over McRoberts when we badly needed size.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Fkfootball1 said:

Creans desperate recruiting landed us Priller and Moore.

Moore should contribute one day

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Creans desperate recruiting landed us Priller and Moore.

You forgot April.

Desperate must be one hell of a drug.

[Brass Cannon]

Isn't funny people were worried about our offense this year. Can't imagine what Archie will do when he has the right people for his offensive system and defensive system

[OliviaPope40]

For those who didn't hear what was chanted last night. 

[Stromboli]

28 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

He was a project and one of those guys Crean found he probably felt was a diamond in the rough and out-thought the room.  Clifton Moore was not highly regarded for many reasons, but one is he's just not ready.   He's thin, he's not strong with the ball; and frankly, he's not all that talented.  A 6'10" kid who's better on the perimeter.  We saw last night how valuable paint bigs are.  

 InsidetheHall wrote about him as a "sleeper."   Yawn.  Crean and his "sleepers."  I've kinda' had enough of "sleepers."  I'd rather know what I'm getting, whatever that is.

 

Clifton isn't in the same bucket as Priller or Gelon.  Clifton had better national acclaim (rankings) than Green, Morgan, or Collin, and those guys are leading the team right now.  Were they reaches too?  Some of our favorite IU players are because Crean would "reach," so I'm really not down with the hate.  Just because Clifton hasn't panned out YET doesn't mean much.  We knew he was skinny/under-developed when he came here.  He's already filling out.  I understand that he shows flashes in practice at times.  He did not play a high level of ball in high school, and he's not ready to contribute.  

Also, a 6'10" kid better from the perimeter is what everyone wants right now.  Not sure how that's a knock.  Get him in there where he's not afraid to bump around and he can contribute.  

 

[Old Friend]

19 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

You forgot April.

Desperate must be one hell of a drug.

And Guy-Marc Michele among others.  

[Old Friend]

Just now, Stromboli said:

 

Clifton isn't in the same bucket as Priller or Gelon.  Clifton had better national acclaim (rankings) than Green, Morgan, or Collin, and those guys are leading the team right now.  Were they reaches too?  Some of our favorite IU players are because Crean would "reach," so I'm really not down with the hate.  Just because Clifton hasn't panned out YET doesn't mean much.  We knew he was skinny/under-developed when he came here.  He's already filling out.  I understand that he shows flashes in practice at times.  He did not play a high level of ball in high school, and he's not ready to contribute.  

Also, a 6'10" kid better from the perimeter is what everyone wants right now.  Not sure how that's a knock.  Get him in there where he's not afraid to bump around and he can contribute.  

 

You watched last night's game, right?

[BlueDevil]

Tom Crean will be on the DD show today


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[Stromboli]

Just now, Old Friend said:

You watched last night's game, right?

Just FYI, I'm not getting into a back-and-forth internet fight here.  Make your point if you wish.  The Draft Express attention Clifton received wasn't for his talent now.  It's because he has the build that everyone wants.  Thrives in the small ball, can switch and guard multiple positions, spread the floor.  3 point shots are up because they work.  Traditional use of back-to-the-basket centers is down.  

Let the kid develop.  He was never a player expected to contribute his freshman year.

[Sota Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Stromboli said:

Just FYI, I'm not getting into a back-and-forth internet fight here.  Make your point if you wish.  The Draft Express attention Clifton received wasn't for his talent now.  It's because he has the build that everyone wants.  Thrives in the small ball, can switch and guard multiple positions, spread the floor.  3 point shots are up because they work.  Traditional use of back-to-the-basket centers is down.  

Let the kid develop.  He was never a player expected to contribute his freshman year.

Couldn't agree more. The kid had limited AAU exposure and didn't play high-level high school ball. I still have faith he'll be a key piece in the future. As Archie said, he needs to learn the game and build his bball IQ and part of that is learning the pace of high-level D1 hoops and adjusting to the talent level. I like that he can play on the perimeter and hit jumpers and I'm glad he's a Hoosier.

[bigrod]

2 minutes ago, Sota Hoosier said:

Couldn't agree more. The kid had limited AAU exposure and didn't play high-level high school ball. I still have faith he'll be a key piece in the future. As Archie said, he needs to learn the game and build his bball IQ and part of that is learning the pace of high-level D1 hoops and adjusting to the talent level. I like that he can play on the perimeter and hit jumpers and I'm glad he's a Hoosier.

I'm pretty sure I read over the summer that Archie wanted to red-shirt him, but he wouldn't come if he did. I wouldn't classify him at all as a reach, but more just a player who needs some time to develop.