Corruption in College Basketball

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

 

Sorry guys - I'm afraid I'm being a bit "lecture-y".  I will watch my tone.

 

I like the lectures honestly, but that's probably because I'm applying to law schools right now so the legal information is interesting to me. 

[reconmkd]

1 minute ago, Stromboli said:

 I wonder if Grant Gelon will follow Crean to UofL

Priceless!

[ALASKA HOOSIER]

Stu, keep lecturing. I like to see that side of the investigation.

[Stuhoo]

Grant Gelon will be "The Kyle Taber of UL!"

[Stuhoo]

Let's move on; no lecturing, but information if I can help!

It's all good - thanks.

[Naturalhoosier]

1 minute ago, ALASKA HOOSIER said:

Stu, keep lecturing. I like to see that side of the investigation.

Plus Alaska's 3rd grade education has him hitting dictionary.com on every post.  He be learnin' and gettin's his smarts on!

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Let's move on; no lecturing, but information if I can help!

It's all good - thanks.

Dude your fine. Am wrong though. They have 10 very motivated witnesses and computers already. Plus any materials these 10 witnesses have. 

That can lead to new charges against people. 

And rinse and repeat. 

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Dude your fine. Am wrong though. They have 10 very motivated witnesses and computers already. Plus any materials these 10 witnesses have. 

That can lead to new charges against people. 

And rinse and repeat. 

 

I guess I'm saying is that while it could, the expansion of the investigation to new subjects is far, far more difficult than  the prosecution of what the current subjects have direct knowledge of, and interaction with. And even that isn't as good if their direct interactions aren't recorded.

It would surprise me a bit if many charges arise from case subjects that were never recorded, but it's absolutely possible. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I just hope this doesn't lead the FBI to the bumper sticker money laundering scheme I created for Fred Glass in order to pay overrated players to play basketball for Indiana.

[HooHooHoo22]

Lmao look at his name


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[mdn82]

Indiana may be 20 years too late to grey area recruiting to reap any real benefits. Lol

What luck.


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While true, it looks like we may have fired Crean at the perfect time because Archie would have been a very hot commodity in the coming months. Plus we have a seemingly clean HC that has relationships with top talent at a seemingly clean university. We may come out the back end of this smelling like a rose.


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[CrossboneIU22]

14 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Is there any chance Indiana would be involved in this?

I'm a little worried about this as well.

Connections:

• Adidas School
• Archie Miller --> Brother to Sean Miller --> Had an assistant coach directly named and (I believe) arrested.
• Kenny Johnson --> Former IU Assistant Coach who went to UofL and was in the room w/ Bowen
• Bryant - Susupicious Activity reported before/after games with individuals at game (could be innocent enough)
• Vonleh - Out for himself only, selfish attitude (again, could just be how he is but still suspicious)
• Perea - Funny stuff involved with Baylor and we still got him, behavior here, rumors floating everywhere
• Dakich - Raising good point about why we should be worried but he is hoping we are clean in this (although he can be an idiot at times, and to some of you, all the time)
• The overall scope of how big this thing could turn out to be

I'm a little worried.  Hope this resolves itself quickly, at least for IU!

[mdn82]

I'm a little worried about this as well.
Connections:

• Adidas School
• Archie Miller --> Brother to Sean Miller --> Had an assistant coach directly named and (I believe) arrested.
• Kenny Johnson --> Former IU Assistant Coach who went to UofL and was in the room w/ Bowen
• Bryant - Susupicious Activity reported before/after games with individuals at game (could be innocent enough)
• Vonleh - Out for himself only, selfish attitude (again, could just be how he is but still suspicious)
• Perea - Funny stuff involved with Baylor and we still got him, behavior here, rumors floating everywhere
• Dakich - Raising good point about why we should be worried but he is hoping we are clean in this (although he can be an idiot at times, and to some of you, all the time)
• The overall scope of how big this thing could turn out to be

I'm a little worried.  Hope this resolves itself quickly, at least for IU!

I am honestly not in the least bit worried about IU. There won't be anything on camera during the timeframe to implicate IU. Is KJ gonna implicate himself again to draw more charges?


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[mamasa]

Speaking of Dakich, I've seen his name tossed around as interim/new UofL coach


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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, mamasa said:

Speaking of Dakich, I've seen his name tossed around as interim/new UofL coach


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Oh god please

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

1.  I was joking.  Looks like not very well.
2.  Your insight has been awesome.  No reason for us to wallow in ignorance and speculation when we've got a contributing member that understands what's happening
3.  I wonder if Grant Gelon will follow Crean to UofL

When I read hour post, I read it as a joke.

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[CrossboneIU22]

Just now, mdn82 said:

I am honestly not in the least bit worried about IU. There won't be anything on camera during the timeframe to implicate IU. Is KJ gonna implicate himself again to draw more charges?


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If he is offered an immunity agreement to flip on bigger names, he absolutely will.  Or if he already has one in place for Pitino, whats stopping him from unleashing everything he knows.  Again, I'm just hoping IU was clean in all of this.  The thing that worries me the most is our Adidas deal that was larger than expected and when most though we would be going with Under Armor or Nike (two other names possibly involved in all this as well)

[MoyeNeeded]

Just in: Looks as though the 1pm news conference by UofL will announce that Jurich and Pitino will be placed on administrative leave until next board of trustees meeting. This will allow UofL to review contracts, money etc... They want to cover all bases in making sure that their backsides are covered when they do make the move to fire both.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

10 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

I'm a little worried about this as well.

Connections:

• Adidas School
• Archie Miller --> Brother to Sean Miller --> Had an assistant coach directly named and (I believe) arrested.
• Kenny Johnson --> Former IU Assistant Coach who went to UofL and was in the room w/ Bowen
• Bryant - Susupicious Activity reported before/after games with individuals at game (could be innocent enough)
• Vonleh - Out for himself only, selfish attitude (again, could just be how he is but still suspicious)
• Perea - Funny stuff involved with Baylor and we still got him, behavior here, rumors floating everywhere
• Dakich - Raising good point about why we should be worried but he is hoping we are clean in this (although he can be an idiot at times, and to some of you, all the time)
• The overall scope of how big this thing could turn out to be

I'm a little worried.  Hope this resolves itself quickly, at least for IU!

What was the suspicious behavior regarding Bryant?

[Stromboli]

Stuhoo, maybe you can clarify something else here.  I think there is a misunderstanding about FBI vs NCAA.  We're dealing with two separate forums here.  Stuhoo is letting us know what to expect the FBI to be able to do in order to successfully prosecute a criminal case.  These guys do not like losing, and they do not like allocating resources (basically the time of their employees) towards losing efforts.  Stuhoo is making clear that getting criminal prosecutions going under the circumstances Brass Cannon is describing is difficult.  

 

An entirely separate forum exists that is probably more interesting to most of us.  That of, what is to become of the teams that are found to be cheating.  This is in the jurisdiction of the NCAA.  They are the governing body that would make these kinds of calls.  They aren't built to do what the FBI can do to create a case, and so they have to obtain the information in a different manner.  The FBI is not going to invite the NCAA to sit in on interrogations.  The FBI is not going to give a better deal to Chuck Person if he tells the NCAA what other programs are cheating.  The FBI isn't concerned with that.  

 

I am not the guy to say how the NCAA will get the information.  They hadn't even launched an "investigation" of their own, and haven't--to my knowledge--made any statement yet.  I think they're going to get the information at the same time as the rest of us, after the FBI releases it.  

 

Another question for Stuhoo:  How could you see the FBI snaring other coaches/programs under these circumstances?