Corruption in College Basketball

[Brass Cannon]

13 minutes ago, HoosierCoop said:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/27390195/avenatti-filing-nike-okd-payments-zion-more

OH. DEAR. GOD!!!!!!!


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If Nike thought they were going to move the needle with a 20,000 dollar offer after all adidas had done for the Langford’s that’s kind of foolish 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Zero surprise here. Adidas was featured all along Romeo’s recruitment and AAU. He was no doubt a “shoe guy”, but the best usually are.


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[ElectricBoogaloo]

Hope they don’t vacate our tournament wins from last year. 

[Hardwood83]

Romeo being paired with Zion is great news for IU actually. There is no chance, none, the NCAA pursues anything against Duke. There will be some dismissive remarks about Avenatti being a disreputable scumbag (no doubt true) and it will die quietly. The NCAA will then return to worshiping at it's shrine to Coach K.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/27390195/avenatti-filing-nike-okd-payments-zion-more

OH. DEAR. GOD!!!!!!!


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Where’s the guy who called me foolish for thinking the Langford’s would have any involvement in this world?


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[LamarCheeks]

I'm very confused by this passage in that ESPN story -- which are the second and third graphs. They seem to contradict each other. The first graph here (second in the story) says the "offers" to Zion and Romeo provide proof that Nike execs arranged for and made payments to players and their families. The very next sentence says there is no evidence that any offers or payments were made to Zion or Romeo. Huh? 



The alleged offers -- $35,000 or more for Williamson and $20,000 for Langford -- were purportedly discovered among "text messages, e-mails and other documents from 2016-17 ... proving that Nike executives had arranged for and concealed payments, often in cash, to amateur basketball players and their families and 'handlers,'" according to the motion filed in U.S. District Court in New York.

There is no evidence that the offers or payments were made to Williamson, Langford or their families. 

[pumpfake]

26 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm very confused by this passage in that ESPN story -- which are the second and third graphs. They seem to contradict each other. The first graph here (second in the story) says the "offers" to Zion and Romeo provide proof that Nike execs arranged for and made payments to players and their families. The very next sentence says there is no evidence that any offers or payments were made to Zion or Romeo. Huh? 



The alleged offers -- $35,000 or more for Williamson and $20,000 for Langford -- were purportedly discovered among "text messages, e-mails and other documents from 2016-17 ... proving that Nike executives had arranged for and concealed payments, often in cash, to amateur basketball players and their families and 'handlers,'" according to the motion filed in U.S. District Court in New York.

There is no evidence that the offers or payments were made to Williamson, Langford or their families. 

Proof that they engaged in the practice of paying players/families/coaches but no proof of it to anyone specific.  Apparently the documentation shows that they approved making offers to the 2 named players.  IMO, it's kind of shoddy journalism, implying that they proved one thing (no one named) and try to tie in players without any evidence the players were involved or even aware of it.

That's my take on the article, anyway.

[coonhounds]

Romeo being paired with Zion is great news for IU actually. There is no chance, none, the NCAA pursues anything against Duke. There will be some dismissive remarks about Avenatti being a disreputable scumbag (no doubt true) and it will die quietly. The NCAA will then return to worshiping at it's shrine to Coach K.

Or iu self sanctions and reports violations. Doc scholarship and 1 year post season ban lol. Archie on 2 year probation

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[HoosierAloha]

Or iu self sanctions and reports violations. Doc scholarship and 1 year post season ban lol. Archie on 2 year probation

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Dook does the complete opposite and forces Nike to increase their salary cap. Dook lands a Bron Bron James for the 2019 class. The Lakers report that LeBron has taken a leave of absence for the year..


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[BGleas]

56 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Proof that they engaged in the practice of paying players/families/coaches but no proof of it to anyone specific.  Apparently the documentation shows that they approved making offers to the 2 named players.  IMO, it's kind of shoddy journalism, implying that they proved one thing (no one named) and try to tie in players without any evidence the players were involved or even aware of it.

That's my take on the article, anyway.

I don't think it's really shoddy journalism. They're saying there is proof that Nike offered money to Zion and Romeo. There is no proof that either player accepted that money. With the available info though, we can make the assumption that Nike does engage in paying high school basketball players. 

[LamarCheeks]

19 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I don't think it's really shoddy journalism. They're saying there is proof that Nike offered money to Zion and Romeo. There is no proof that either player accepted that money. With the available info though, we can make the assumption that Nike does engage in paying high school basketball players. 

The story specifically says "there is no evidence that the offers or payments were made to Williamson, Langford or their families." ... How is that proof that Nike offered money to Zion and Romeo? And how is that proof that Nike arranged for payments to players and their families? ... The writing of that article is very unclear. 

[BGleas]

3 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

The story specifically says "there is no evidence that the offers or payments were made to Williamson, Langford or their families." ... How is that proof that Nike offered money to Zion and Romeo? And how is that proof that Nike arranged for payments to players and their families? ... The writing of that article is very unclear. 

You're right. I read that incorrectly. The first paragraph says there is evidence and the second says there is no evidence. Gotcha. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Bottom line -- there's too much vagueness and contradiction in the ESPN story to really know the true story.  At the very least, the Langfords turned Nike down - if Nike even offered - as they stuck with Adidas.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

The story specifically says "there is no evidence that the offers or payments were made to Williamson, Langford or their families." ... How is that proof that Nike offered money to Zion and Romeo? And how is that proof that Nike arranged for payments to players and their families? ... The writing of that article is very unclear. 

It’s all about the wording.

Nike was willing to offer that much for those players. Appears confirmed through texts, etc.

Did Nike actually offer it? Unclear, no evidence

Did families accept? No evidence.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Hooker U back in the NCAA spotlight

https://www.wdrb.com/sports/bozich-crawford-resuming-investigation-ncaa-conducts-interviews-in-louisville/article_22887680-bf6d-11e9-923a-bf2761e96171.html

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I don't think it's really shoddy journalism. They're saying there is proof that Nike offered money to Zion and Romeo. There is no proof that either player accepted that money. With the available info though, we can make the assumption that Nike does engage in paying high school basketball players. 

This was my take. Being offered isn't illegal(for the player). Taking it is. I read there is no evidence of the latter

 

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[MoyeNeeded]

3 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Where’s the guy who called me foolish for thinking the Langford’s would have any involvement in this world?


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That would probably be me. And your point...?

[pumpfake]

51 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Hooker U back in the NCAA spotlight

https://www.wdrb.com/sports/bozich-crawford-resuming-investigation-ncaa-conducts-interviews-in-louisville/article_22887680-bf6d-11e9-923a-bf2761e96171.html

Something definitely illegal - their consultant breaks the laws of English by having no vowels in his last name.  But seriously, I guess we'll see how much evidence has to hit the NCAA in their collective face before they act.

[Uspshoosier]

https://sports.yahoo.com/texts-and-emails-allegedly-detail-nikes-willingness-to-pay-high-schoolers-including-zion-williamson-001012098.html


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

“They admitted they will stink. It’s not about wins and losses”

Is the Indiana motto of the past 20 years.

The sooner it becomes about Wins and Losses the sooner we will win games.

Embarrassing on multiple fronts again.


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