Corruption in College Basketball

[Hoosierfan2017 20,931]

3 minutes ago, cljones1979 said:

Technically they are being paid. They don't have a huge tuition bill to pay after they graduate or leave. They are getting to travel for free. Go to New York , Hawaii , California and now they are playing some games overseas. If they want more then they can go play over seas for a year. They shouldn't get paid. It will cause more of a mess than it will fix.

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I had a scholarship to IU but I was still allowed to use my skills to make outside money. Why shouldn't athletes be allowed to do the same? 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

It's not up to the NCAA to end one and dones. That's the NBA's rule. 
I'm sure there would be a way to get around paying all athletes. Most sports are already losing money and have to be supported by football and men's basketball.
I'm just curious why you're so opposed to paying the players. Your "it would be the NBA 2.0" doesn't hold up. You watch basketball now even though you know that players are getting paid. The only difference would be that it would be out in the open instead of hidden. What's your real reason for being against it?

As I said they are getting free room and board and will not be saddled with student loans for 15 years like most students. What more do I need to say. I oppose turning amateur athletes into semi pro athletes. That's it.

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Technically they are being paid. They don't have a huge tuition bill to pay after they graduate or leave. They are getting to travel for free. Go to New York , Hawaii , California and now they are playing some games overseas. If they want more then they can go play over seas for a year. They shouldn't get paid. It will cause more of a mess than it will fix.

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You got it.

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[Hoosierfan2017 20,931]

3 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

As I said they are getting free room and board and will not be saddled with student loans for 15 years like most students. What more do I need to say. I oppose turning amateur athletes into semi pro athletes. That's it.

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Many college athletes are amateur in name only. There's no "turning amateur athletes into semi-pro athletes". That happened years ago. They've been getting paid for decades, and you still watch. Depending on your age I would bet that you've watched hundreds of games involving "amateur" athletes who are actually being paid. It hasn't stopped you yet, so why would it stop you now?

[cthomas 6,332]

It's not about paying kids or not for me, it's about programs trying to gain a competitive advantage. I don't know how you get rid of that.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Players are getting more than money (scholarships, room/board, etc) from universities. They might not get paid for their likeness while in college. However, they get a fan base and following that spends money on them once they go pro. Is that not getting something from the school?

Cleaning up a cesspool:

It's not at one level, the NCAA, it needs to happen. It has to take place at all levels. The problem is there are too many people making bank off these recruits/players for that to happen.

It needs to start at the AAU level. If a program is found to have involvement with agents, runners, or anyone paying the players everyone involved needs black listed. That includes the shoe company employees, coaches, agents, and players involved. Sorry kid, you were going to be able to play college ball but now you'll have to go to the G League or overseas.

At the college level, a new governing body needs to be put in place. The current system allows those higher ups to get paid for a better product, capitalism. However, they're turning a blind eye so they can make more. If they can't do their job replace them with a governing body that can.

It should be an across the board penalty. Pay a player or a player gets hooked up from a shoe company? That school loses scholarships, post season ban, all games the player played in, and the school and coach are fined. You lie about it or don't cooperate? Your school doesn't have scholarships for a year.

Why don't you go and commit murder, robbery, or rape? One you're a decent human but you're also afraid of the consequences. These programs couldn't care less because they know there's a good chance of skating.

NBA level, agents and runners who pay recruits/players lose their license and pay a fine.

There's ways to fix things the problem is the people who run things don't want them fixed. They would lose money or jobs.


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[BGleas 7,880]

This isn't directed at anyone on this board, just a general comment from years of discussing this topic on message boards, with friends, reading comment section on articles, etc., etc., but I'm continually stunned at the number of people that don't understand that the one and done rule is an NBA rule, not an NCAA rules. 

And, while the NCAA certainly is a joke and a cesspool, it's crazy how they take all the blame for these issues and the NBA always comes away unscathed. Those of you that know me from all the previous boards know I'm a huge NBA fan and used to work in the league, but so many of these issues could be fixed by the NBA as well. Obviously the one and done rule, but also these are NBA sanctioned agents that we're finding are paying college and high school players, funneling/selling players to certain schools, etc., etc. 

The NBA is very culpable in these problems, yet everyone lays these things at the feel of the NCAA. What if the NBA removed the one and done and then also put harsh, strict penalties in place for any agents that are contacting high school players in any way and interfering with/breaking NCAA rules regarding player contact. 

That doesn't fix everything, but it certainly helps a lot. The NBA needs to take ownership and be a part of these conversations/solutions. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Many college athletes are amateur in name only. There's no "turning amateur athletes into semi-pro athletes". That happened years ago. They've been getting paid for decades, and you still watch. Depending on your age I would bet that you've watched hundreds of games involving "amateur" athletes who are actually being paid. It hasn't stopped you yet, so why would it stop you now?

I've they started paying them a salary I would probably stop watching and stick to high school games.

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

This isn't directed at anyone on this board, just a general comment from years of discussing this topic on message boards, with friends, reading comment section on articles, etc., etc., but I'm continually stunned at the number of people that don't understand that the one and done rule is an NBA rule, not an NCAA rules. 
And, while the NCAA certainly is a joke and a cesspool, it's crazy how they take all the blame for these issues and the NBA always comes away unscathed. Those of you that know me from all the previous boards know I'm a huge NBA fan and used to work in the league, but so many of these issues could be fixed by the NBA as well. Obviously the one and done rule, but also these are NBA sanctioned agents that we're finding are paying college and high school players, funneling/selling players to certain schools, etc., etc. 
The NBA is very culpable in these problems, yet everyone lays these things at the feel of the NCAA. What if the NBA removed the one and done and then also put harsh, strict penalties in place for any agents that are contacting high school players in any way and interfering with/breaking NCAA rules regarding player contact. 
That doesn't fix everything, but it certainly helps a lot. The NBA needs to take ownership and be a part of these conversations/solutions. 

So stan vandy Gundy is now screaming the one and done rule is racist. So than why doesn't he do something to fix it? He is in the NBA last I checked.

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[Stuhoo 79,798]

2 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

So stan vandy Gundy is now screaming the one and done rule is racist. So than why doesn't he do something to fix it? He is in the NBA last I checked.

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1. "He's in the NBA" so he can fix it!  LOL
2. ^^See '1.'^^

[Hoosierfan2017 20,931]

11 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

So stan vandy Gundy is now screaming the one and done rule is racist. So than why doesn't he do something to fix it? He is in the NBA last I checked.

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Calling people racist makes it a hot take, but he does raise some good issues in the rest of his quotes. 

[Lebowski 2,462]

The fact that coach after coach after coach is saying the same thing about 'a change' speaks volumes.  

I hope the hammer comes down.  

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[JSHoosier 19,850]

46 minutes ago, cthomas said:

It's not about paying kids or not for me, it's about programs trying to gain a competitive advantage. I don't know how you get rid of that.

As far as program trying to get some sort of competitive advantage, I'm not sure you can.  That will always happen in some way.

[Josh 12,569]

Players are getting more than money (scholarships, room/board, etc) from universities. They might not get paid for their likeness while in college. However, they get a fan base and following that spends money on them once they go pro. Is that not getting something from the school?

Cleaning up a cesspool:

It's not at one level, the NCAA, it needs to happen. It has to take place at all levels. The problem is there are too many people making bank off these recruits/players for that to happen.

It needs to start at the AAU level. If a program is found to have involvement with agents, runners, or anyone paying the players everyone involved needs black listed. That includes the shoe company employees, coaches, agents, and players involved. Sorry kid, you were going to be able to play college ball but now you'll have to go to the G League or overseas.

At the college level, a new governing body needs to be put in place. The current system allows those higher ups to get paid for a better product, capitalism. However, they're turning a blind eye so they can make more. If they can't do their job replace them with a governing body that can.

It should be an across the board penalty. Pay a player or a player gets hooked up from a shoe company? That school loses scholarships, post season ban, all games the player played in, and the school and coach are fined. You lie about it or don't cooperate? Your school doesn't have scholarships for a year.

Why don't you go and commit murder, robbery, or rape? One you're a decent human but you're also afraid of the consequences. These programs couldn't care less because they know there's a good chance of skating.

NBA level, agents and runners who pay recruits/players lose their license and pay a fine.

There's ways to fix things the problem is the people who run things don't want them fixed. They would lose money or jobs.


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Phenomenal post!

[HoosierCoop 3,889]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Players are getting more than money (scholarships, room/board, etc) from universities. They might not get paid for their likeness while in college. However, they get a fan base and following that spends money on them once they go pro. Is that not getting something from the school?

Cleaning up a cesspool:

It's not at one level, the NCAA, it needs to happen. It has to take place at all levels. The problem is there are too many people making bank off these recruits/players for that to happen.

It needs to start at the AAU level. If a program is found to have involvement with agents, runners, or anyone paying the players everyone involved needs black listed. That includes the shoe company employees, coaches, agents, and players involved. Sorry kid, you were going to be able to play college ball but now you'll have to go to the G League or overseas.

At the college level, a new governing body needs to be put in place. The current system allows those higher ups to get paid for a better product, capitalism. However, they're turning a blind eye so they can make more. If they can't do their job replace them with a governing body that can.

It should be an across the board penalty. Pay a player or a player gets hooked up from a shoe company? That school loses scholarships, post season ban, all games the player played in, and the school and coach are fined. You lie about it or don't cooperate? Your school doesn't have scholarships for a year.

Why don't you go and commit murder, robbery, or rape? One you're a decent human but you're also afraid of the consequences. These programs couldn't care less because they know there's a good chance of skating.

NBA level, agents and runners who pay recruits/players lose their license and pay a fine.

There's ways to fix things the problem is the people who run things don't want them fixed. They would lose money or jobs.


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Very well stated Aloha!

AAU is a cess pool of corruption.  One-and-done rule needs to go now.  A change in governing body needs to happen.

[dbmhoosier 851]

Saw this on the UK board.  Could be BS.

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/big-news.259283/

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

This isn't directed at anyone on this board, just a general comment from years of discussing this topic on message boards, with friends, reading comment section on articles, etc., etc., but I'm continually stunned at the number of people that don't understand that the one and done rule is an NBA rule, not an NCAA rules. 
And, while the NCAA certainly is a joke and a cesspool, it's crazy how they take all the blame for these issues and the NBA always comes away unscathed. Those of you that know me from all the previous boards know I'm a huge NBA fan and used to work in the league, but so many of these issues could be fixed by the NBA as well. Obviously the one and done rule, but also these are NBA sanctioned agents that we're finding are paying college and high school players, funneling/selling players to certain schools, etc., etc. 
The NBA is very culpable in these problems, yet everyone lays these things at the feel of the NCAA. What if the NBA removed the one and done and then also put harsh, strict penalties in place for any agents that are contacting high school players in any way and interfering with/breaking NCAA rules regarding player contact. 
That doesn't fix everything, but it certainly helps a lot. The NBA needs to take ownership and be a part of these conversations/solutions. 

I completely agree with this. However, why would they want to change? They have a free minor league they can influence and benefits them.

I would also be in favor of players suspended in the NBA or G League if it was proven they had taken money.

This whole situation was created by years of people looking the other way and/or being bought off. There won't be change until those that rule want it changed. Is this whole scandal big enough to change that? I have my doubts.


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[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

I think there is a chance that this scandal really ruins College Basketball... I wouldn't be surprised if the G-League changes its rules so that HS Grads can enter. The NBA, as an organization, must hate the negative publicity associated with current players being called "dirty" and being accused of taking money from agents while in college. Severing ties with the NCAA would potentially fix this problem.  

[Hardwood83 4,752]

26 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

Saw this on the UK board.  Could be BS.

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/big-news.259283/

Lots of speculation. 

My favorite though is they seem to be genuinely sanctimonious! How about this quote: "Another one we were on, but didn't get. Starting to see a pattern of guys Cal was after and either backed off, or shocked everyone by picking someone else. I think that alone is a strong indication Cal is not involved in paying recruits. At all." Poor Cal got beat out on a recruit by all those dirty guys. 

No one can be that deluded, can they? Kentucky is THE poster child for the high-profile one and done recruit and they think it's Texas, Mich St and UNLV that are the bad guys? Like most issues with Kentucky, sad and pathetic. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I think there is a chance that this scandal really ruins College Basketball... I wouldn't be surprised if the G-League changes its rules so that HS Grads can enter. The NBA, as an organization, must hate the negative publicity associated with current players being called "dirty" and being accused of taking money from agents while in college. Severing ties with the NCAA would potentially fix this problem.  

I'd love a league for all the Kentucky and Duke one and dones that don't want to be in college. If college bball becomes programs like Wisconsin and Butler that would be a positive.

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