Corruption in College Basketball

[pumpfake]

16 minutes ago, Dalton26 said:

Dont get your hopes up fellas. In all likelyhood no one will get punished, the NCAA will not allow themselves to lose money so we are probably looking at rule changes and a "lets all move on" from the NCAA.

Sadly, that's very likely.  Even with several of the proverbial "smoking guns", I can see the NCAA doing little to nothing about it.  After all, they had all the evidence needed to nail UNC and they basically just gave them a pat on the back and an 'attaboy'.

[Dalton26]

1 minute ago, pumpfake said:

Sadly, that's very likely.  Even with several of the proverbial "smoking guns", I can see the NCAA doing little to nothing about it.  After all, they had all the evidence needed to nail UNC and they basically just gave them a pat on the back and an 'attaboy'.

Same thing with teams like UK. Calipari has a history of cheating(although he isnt very good at it, 1 national championship with all of that talent is laughable), and everyone outside of UK fans point out whats going on and the NCAA wont even touch them. If the list was full of only bottom feeding schools then theyd drop the hammer, but tsince there are a lot of money maker schools on the list they wont even get a papercut.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

$14,000 initially from those two pages!

Who knows how much more lurks.

Hold your breath for Bryant, Vonleh, and Troy. I'm not especially worried about Crean, but who knows what those kids did behind the scenes.

No player on our current roster worries me at all; MSB is "priceless.".

 

 

 

It's kinda of striking to see the players getting money here. At this point, i'd be shocked if an IU player didn't get anything. I mean, check out some of these names:

DJ Newbill (Penn St)

Feed Van Vleet (really?)

Maybe these loans were after they turned pro, who knows. But if those players are getting money from agents in college it is truly a cancer on the sport.

[bigrod]

1 minute ago, pumpfake said:

Sadly, that's very likely.  Even with several of the proverbial "smoking guns", I can see the NCAA doing little to nothing about it.  After all, they had all the evidence needed to nail UNC and they basically just gave them a pat on the back and an 'attaboy'.

I would never defend the NCAA, but UNC getting lawyers involved and instructing them to deny everything (even stuff they had admitted at one point), had an awful lot to do with that result. I don't exactly have first hand knowledge, but my understanding from some people who followed it pretty closely was that the NCAA wanted to nail them for academic fraud, but the lawyers tied their hands pretty well.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Quick wrap up:

UK: Bam Adebayo, Kevin Knox

Duke: Wendell Carter

Kansas: Josh Jackson

MSU: Miles Bridges

And of course Vanderbilt: Wade Baldwin

There are others I know, but out of all that report, UK honestly is the only school that may have anything even happen too. 

[Dalton26]

if you guys want a good laugh today go check out the UK boards. Its denial city over there, and the belief that the NCAA is so hard on them and no one else. Its great lol 

[mdn82]

Not sure about this part. I can see them taking their chances and challenging, stalling, and who knows what else if the NCAA comes after them.

It’s not their choice. A player cannot play if there is clearance issues.


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[Blackmon_for_3]

So I don’t want to be that guy but maybe hiring Crean was a blessing in disguise. I see a lot of names in the list that Crean recruited but didn’t land. PJ Dozier, Diamond Stone, Isiah Whitehead, Monte Morris, and Collin Sexton (AAU teammate of Al Durham). This is just the beginning but who knows how many names with actually be involved. I just think this paints a pretty good picture of why we “lost out” on same recruits. I also thought the recruitment of Trey Lyles was also very fishy and would love to know if there was something under the table to get him to Kentucky. 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

The thing that makes me mad, is that they just let America know which schools and some instances just what players I'm sure are dirty. Now opposing fan bases are gonna go back and forth and etc. Any school that loses a recruit to any of these schools whether the kid really wanted to go there or not is going to question things. 

Basically it's just going to confuse everyone and if anything help those schools. If this is the worst that can happen and maybe a few wins taken off is all that's going to happen, why not risk it? This isn't the good news people thought it'd be unless the hammer actually hits some of these schools, which I just don't see. UK like I said above is the only one with multiple kids and over 100,000 grand. 

Please tell me why we lost scholarships and had to pretty much start from scratch when Sampson made too many damn phone calls. I know things have changed a lot since then, but man Sampson is a saint compared to half these coaches nowadays. 

[Blackmon_for_3]

Yea I’m not a big fan of anything getting released until the whole investigation is over. 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

1 minute ago, Blackmon_for_3 said:

Yea I’m not a big fan of anything getting released until the whole investigation is over. 

Exactly!! Doesn't make sense. Now you give all these schools a head start pretty much to figure out the route they need to take.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

 

7 minutes ago, Blackmon_for_3 said:

So I don’t want to be that guy but maybe hiring Crean was a blessing in disguise. I see a lot of names in the list that Crean recruited but didn’t land. PJ Dozier, Diamond Stone, Isiah Whitehead, Monte Morris, and Collin Sexton (AAU teammate of Al Durham). This is just the beginning but who knows how many names with actually be involved. I just think this paints a pretty good picture of why we “lost out” on same recruits. I also thought the recruitment of Trey Lyles was also very fishy and would love to know if there was something under the table to get him to Kentucky. 

I’m in no way implying anything just remember that the coach for Sexton’s and Al’s AAU team was Al’s dad.

[HoosierHoops1]

1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

The current players who are listed will probably start sitting immediately right. I would bet they would if it was iu. Were any significant contributors on there

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Miles Bridges

[Blackmon_for_3]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

 

I’m in no way implying anything just remember that the coach for Sexton’s and Al’s AAU team was Al’s dad.

Oh without a doubt. This whole thing still makes me nervous. 

[cthomas]

"It's the end of the world as we know it"

[coonhounds]

People on here who are disappointed should not be. This probably is just the beginning not the end. All the people that were getting our recruits made the list. Kentucky duke msu those are guys we all suspected were dirty and evidence is starting to prove that as fact. No iu guys yet and i am willing to bet we wont be.

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[Whoozhers]

So I don’t want to be that guy but maybe hiring Crean was a blessing in disguise. I see a lot of names in the list that Crean recruited but didn’t land. PJ Dozier, Diamond Stone, Isiah Whitehead, Monte Morris, and Collin Sexton (AAU teammate of Al Durham). This is just the beginning but who knows how many names with actually be involved. I just think this paints a pretty good picture of why we “lost out” on same recruits. I also thought the recruitment of Trey Lyles was also very fishy and would love to know if there was something under the table to get him to Kentucky. 

Good coach? Not so much. Decent, honest, honorable = Tom Crean.


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[SlamaJamaSisley]

1 minute ago, Whoozhers said:

Good coach? Not so much. Decent, honest, honorable = Tom Crean.


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Yeah, Crean could be a blessing for the program as far as some of this ... but he did still have Kenny Johnson on his staff.  Time will tell ..

[Stuhoo]

11 minutes ago, cthomas said:

"It's the end of the world as we know it"

 

...and I feel fine.

 

[pumpfake]

41 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I would never defend the NCAA, but UNC getting lawyers involved and instructing them to deny everything (even stuff they had admitted at one point), had an awful lot to do with that result. I don't exactly have first hand knowledge, but my understanding from some people who followed it pretty closely was that the NCAA wanted to nail them for academic fraud, but the lawyers tied their hands pretty well.

I can believe it.  More proof that the best way to avoid getting penalized is to deny, deny, deny, and fight the NCAA with everything you've got.  It kind of becomes an "honor system" where schools like UK, UNC, etc. have no problem with acting with impunity.