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[FortWayneHoosier]

How do I change my profile picture? I need to get Archie on there

If you're on mobile click on your picture right here in the thread, then click that little blue camera icon to change it.

 

on your desktop should be a drop down box on the right hand corner and you can change it from your profile. PM me if you have any questions

 

 

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[Hoosier Guy]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Someone tell Archie to schedule a series with his brother. Bring the Kentucky series back too. It's time for us to throw out the directional schools and get back into the ring with the big boys. 

Playing Arizona and Kentucky every year would be awesome. Add in the fact that you play an ACC team and the non conference schedule would be in business.

[BlueDevil]

You say he produced...what did he produce?

I'm seriously not trying to be a smartass here. I don't understand the excitement and I want to be excited.

Give me something other than...he didn't have it as good as Crean.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he led Dayton to the elite 8 in 2014 and took them back to the sweet 16 a year later with a depleted roster and no over 6'6" due to giving some people the boot. 4 straight tourney appearances I mean he's done this all at a mid major program. He also took down Syracuse in 2014 which Crean couldn't even sniff. You still may not be convinced and that's not my point but I don't know what else people want. No one from a mid major is consistently going to make deep runs in the tournament not named gonzaga.


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[Bowhunter]

Comparison between Archie and Crean since 2011 (Archie's first year at Dayton).
I'll just leave it right here...

Is that supposed to make me feel better

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8 minutes ago, Hoosier116 said:

I've got buddies that are huge Ohio state fans and they are super super disappointed they won't ever get a shot at Archie now. Let's see this one thru, I like it a lot

CAM was at OSU and Arizona with his brother.  It's my understanding that he helped (was lead recruiter?) at both places when they brought in high-level guys.  If he can do that at IU, this will turn out pretty well I think.

[Josh]

You are really dense huh?  Archie is obviously the better coach... He's done what Crean did (and went further in the tourney) without nearly as many resources...

Dense. Lol

You condescending?

[Maynard]

So what you're showing us is that Archie Miller, with far less talent at Dayton than Crean has had at IU, has a similar record to TC? I look at that and see how much TC under performed. Archie Miller will do just fine.  

You can interpret the numbers however you like. I didn't post words like "potential" and "tactician" I posted his numbers. If you want to factor in talent, I would also consider that Crean's SOS was two times as good as Millers.

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[jmsgws]

4 minutes ago, VeevlandBrowns said:

 because IU is an elite job. 
 

I would change that to say IU WAS an elite job.  Miller could be great, but I see the hire as a gamble.  Pedigree is no better than Crean's was 9 years ago.  Granted IU is in a completely different place, though.

But if IU is such an elite job, I don't think you have to hire a coach at almost 6 times his current salary. 

[Josh]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he led Dayton to the elite 8 in 2014 and took them back to the sweet 16 a year later with a depleted roster and no over 6'6" due to giving some people the boot. 4 straight tourney appearances I mean he's done this all at a mid major program. He also took down Syracuse in 2014 which Crean couldn't even sniff. You still may not be convinced and that's not my point but I don't know what else people want. No one from a mid major is consistently going to make deep runs in the tournament not named gonzaga.


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Thanks...that helps a little I guess.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Great hire IMO

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[RedsIUfan]

2 minutes ago, Dizz said:

You have to factor the tougher opponents vs. the better players.  This balances out.. He had weaker opponents with worse players.

I understand that. I believe what is disconcerting to some is that yes, he had fewer resources at a somewhat lower competition but although he did well he didn't really dominate with his "superior Xs and Os" everyone is referencing. 

[HoosierTrav]

That's what's supposed to make us feel better? They're the same coach but Crean had more luxuries?? Got anything else for me?

 

Where do you get off saying Archie and Crean are the same coach? You're overreacting rn. Remind of the last time Crean took a team to the NCAA tournament 4 years in a row? Dayton had been to 1......1 in the previous 9 seasons before him. Now extrapolate the fact that he's been consistent at Dayton with what resources he will have available to him at Indiana University. Seriously, gather yourself and start thinking with logic, rather than emotion. Ask yourself.....if you never would have had the thought of hiring Billy Donovan planter in your head, would you view this hire the same way? Miller advanced DAYTON further in the NCAA tournament than Crean was able to in 9 years at Indiana. DAYTON!!!!

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1 minute ago, Maynard said:

 

You can interpret the numbers however you like. I didn't post words like "potential" and "tactician" I posted his numbers. If you want to factor in talent, I would also consider that Crean's SOS was two times as good as Millers.

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Wouldn't it have to be considerably better, considering their respective conferences?

[Bowhunter]

I'm hoping this hire goes better than crean. Though it seemed like when we got him most were disappointed we thought we'd get better. The national media bragged on crean saying what a good get he was until the day he was let go. I hope everyone has patience at least more than what I have. I think it could be a slow process.

 

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[Dalton26]

Hey guys don't start name calling or anything like that. Josh is asking legitimate questions. I'd much rather someone do what he's doing than stomp their feet saying I'm done or we screwed up. He's wanting to see what some of the rest of us see in Archie. Remember we are all rooting for the same team at the end of the day.


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[Maynard]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he led Dayton to the elite 8 in 2014 and took them back to the sweet 16 a year later with a depleted roster and no over 6'6" due to giving some people the boot. 4 straight tourney appearances I mean he's done this all at a mid major program. He also took down Syracuse in 2014 which Crean couldn't even sniff. You still may not be convinced and that's not my point but I don't know what else people want. No one from a mid major is consistently going to make deep runs in the tournament not named gonzaga.


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I think you are wrong. They went to the Elite 8 and then won a play in and first round game the next year.

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[BlueDevil]

Thanks...that helps a little I guess.

Basically what I'm trying to say is with less talented rosters he was competing with the big dogs at a high level when push came to shove. The dude can coach.


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[HoosierTrav]

Hey guys don't start name calling or anything like that. Josh is asking legitimate questions. I'd much rather someone do what he's doing than stomp their feet saying I'm done or we screwed up. He's wanting to see what some of the rest of us see in Archie. Remember we are all rooting for the same team at the end of the day.


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I immediately regretted the drama queen statement. Edited. Sorry josh.

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Playing Arizona and Kentucky every year would be awesome. Add in the fact that you play an ACC team and the non conference schedule would be in business.

The Crossroads Classic and the Louisville series as well. There are definitely some good opportunities to vastly improve our non-conference schedule. 

[Hoosier Guy]

1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

Where do you get off saying Archie and Crean are the same coach? You're being a drama queen right now. Remind of the last time Crean took a team to the NCAA tournament 4 years in a row? Dayton had been to 1......1 in the previous 9 seasons before him. Now extrapolate the fact that he's been consistent at Dayton with what resources he will have available to him at Indiana University. Seriously, gather yourself and start thinking with logic, rather than emotion. Ask yourself.....if you never would have had the thought of hiring Billy Donovan planter in your head, would you view this hire the same way? Miller advanced DAYTON further in the NCAA tournament than Crean was able to in 9 years at Indiana. DAYTON!!!!

 

You changed your profile picture too? I'm about to. Damn I get to see his wife on two avatars now haha