Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[goonaha]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I'm bothered why Vijay quit St. Francis mid-season but I have to presume that CAM knows the details of why he quit and it wasn't anything that was a concern at having him become a member of the IU team albeit without a scholarship.

If he knew he wanted to come to IU for a degree, why it would make sense to keep playing there? I don't think it appears any different than what a conventional transfer does, and they leave at the semester all the time. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

4 minutes ago, doyle1984 said:

CAM wants to make IU cool again. If we use a scholarship on Carter it might help us with the big fish when they see Jay-Z court side at Assembly hall. In the end it could help us way more than a big could this year for one year


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The last thing I want to see happen is recruiting kids just because of who might sit at courtside.  And if who's sitting at courtside is the determining factor for a recruit to pick IU over another school, then quite honestly, I don't care if the kid goes elsewhere because he's not really that interested in playing for IU just at IU.  Kick me all you want, but that's the way this old fart feels.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

5 minutes ago, goonaha said:

If he knew he wanted to come to IU for a degree, why it would make sense to keep playing there? I don't think it appears any different than what a conventional transfer does, and they leave at the semester all the time. 

But he quit on his team in mid-season.  That's a whole lot different than transferring out at the end of a season.

This was announced in Jan. 2017.  .@USFCougarBball FR G Vijay Blackmon has quit the team. @CoachLaCross: He's no longer part of the program and I wish him well.

[goonaha]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The last thing I want to see happen is recruiting kids just because of who might sit at courtside.  And if who's sitting at courtside is the determining factor for a recruit to pick IU over another school, then quite honestly, I don't care if the kid goes elsewhere because he's not really that interested in playing for IU just at IU.  Kick me all you want, but that's the way this old fart feels.

1.) Nahziah is going to turn out to be a 4 star recruit. He's worth recruiting on his skills alone and has a great relationship with Archie from Dayton.

2.) I don't think anyone is going to pick IU because Jay-Z might sit courtside a couple games a year if Nahziah comes. Just like I don't think anyone committed to UK because Drake makes occasional appearances or references to them. It's all just positive attention for the program and being seen as a destination school. I don't see any harm in it. 

[goonaha]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

But he quit on his team in mid-season.  That's a whole lot different than transferring out at the end of a season.

This was announced in Jan. 2017.  .@USFCougarBball FR G Vijay Blackmon has quit the team. @CoachLaCross: He's no longer part of the program and I wish him well.

Isn't that semantics? Because you don't transfer to become a walk on somewhere else since scholarships are no longer involved. So "quitting" in Vijay's case is essentially the same. And kids transfer from schools midseason all the time. 

I personally know kids who were recruited to play sports (soccer and baseball) at small schools that quickly figured out that they weren't going to enjoy the experience. They quit, and came to IU for school only at the semester. This seems somewhat similar. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

12 minutes ago, bigrod said:

So that's 6 counting Gelon's if he doesn't fill it this year. I don't remember seeing the quote, but it seems that CAM doesn't like big classes either.

Ah yeah true. I was assuming Archie will fill that one this year so I forgot about it. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Yeah, I'm from Fort Wayne. Never heard anything bad about the Vijay situation. Parents and Vijay probably had this in mind for some time. Vijay, by all accounts I know, is a great/good student and takes school seriously.

Education is important to mom especially.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I am nearly 100% that CAM uses this scholarship. I've seen enough CBB to see how these things work.

 

Our roster needed help. CAM is trying to improve the roster.

 

 

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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I am nearly 100% that CAM uses this scholarship. I've seen enough CBB to see how these things work.

 

Our roster needed help. CAM is trying to improve the roster.

 

 

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My guess is we either get Moretti or lock up carter. 

[VO5]

9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

My guess is we either get Moretti or lock up carter. 

Yup. Seems to be the scenario. I'm hoping for Carter tbh. He's better than his ranking and you can see that by the way he plays. Isn't afraid to get scrappy and that's the perfect type of player for Archie's system.

[Stromboli]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

My guess is we either get Moretti or lock up carter. 

I wasn't particularly impressed by the Moretti highlight videos.  Anytime the highlights are clips of catching a pass and hitting an open shot, that just means they left the other 63% of misses on the cutting room floor.  And we really don't need guards now, and have higher options for 2018.  

 

I agree, CAM wants to fill this scholarship.  The sooner he can fill the roster with players brought up in his system, the better for his team.  There is no reason to bank a scholarship with the 5 coming next year.

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

I wasn't particularly impressed by the Moretti highlight videos.  Anytime the highlights are clips of catching a pass and hitting an open shot, that just means they left the other 63% of misses on the cutting room floor.  And we really don't need guards now, and have higher options for 2018.  

 

I agree, CAM wants to fill this scholarship.  The sooner he can fill the roster with players brought up in his system, the better for his team.  There is no reason to bank a scholarship with the 5 coming next year.

We have tons of guards I'm not sure we have a PG though. 

[HinnyHoosier]

I feel like Carter is plan A for Archie having already locked him up once. He probably has a better idea of what he's getting in comparison to Moretti. That plus the need for a front court body vs a back court body.

But a Plan B in Moretti isn't bad if Carter doesn't work out and he's really wanting to fill that last scholly. Looks like the guy can shoot and has great confidence in doing so. I'd have liked to see more play making for the teammates around him, but I've only seen one video. You don't know who's making the vid, either. Could be some clown that thinks offensive talent is nothing but making buckets.

Guess we'll see. I'm anxious to see this squad regardless!


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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

We have tons of guards I'm not sure we have a PG though. 

Exactly. Newkirk is the closest thing unless DG is being developed strictly for PG duty this offseason even then I feel more comfortable having someone that can pass the ball like Davide. He will create a lot more scoring options for DD.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

Small school basketball isn't for everyone. Idk any specifics about Vijay, but I could see him not liking playing in front of a few hundred fans every night after watching his brother play in Assembly Hall and such. Being a walk-on at a school like IU might be a more enjoyable experience. 

[Tom White]

1 hour ago, Hoosier Guy said:

What's the first?

I don't remember!

[Stuhoo]

 

Moretti was the starting PG on the U-20 Italian national team at 12.8 ppg. That's a kid that is ready to play immediately.

I'm also a fan of picking up Carter, but it seems that he might be a year or two away from being a real contributor.

 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

 
Moretti was the starting PG on the U-20 Italian national team at 12.8 ppg. That's a kid that is ready to play immediately.
I'm also a fan of picking up Carter, but it seems that he might be a year or two away from being a real contributor.
 

I like Carter as well but fell Moretti gives us an option this year and beyond. He won't affect Garland from coming so I am all for it. Carey is good enough to where he will get minutes as well and same for Phinisee. Best case for us and the kid he is the real deal and stays a year maybe two. Worse case he is a solid option for 4 years that won't deter the big name kids from coming here.

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[VO5]

Something that just dawned on me in regards to Moretti. James Fraschilla is still with the team this upcoming year right? His dad is Fran, who scouts Europeans as his job. I wonder if Fran mentioned Moretti to Archie or told James to. Would make a lot of sense.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Another weird thing with all the new schools recruiting Brian Bowen or at least reaching out shouldn't we? He is from Indiana and could take an unofficial. I know he didn't like the previous staff one bit but he would be able to stay home and likely be our best player besides maybe DD or possibly RoJo. Shots would be his. Depaul is the only school that offers more shots than us but we have the exposure needed as well. Just think​ing out loud I guess.

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