Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[waitingon6]

Kareem played 20 or 21 years, Malone and Stockton had long careers.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

26 minutes ago, Tom White said:

Not sure if those are the best players from the "previous generation to use as comparisons.

Sure, Bird had back problems largely due to his all-out style of play, but Isiah had a bad injury (which may or may not be addressed differently now) and Magic had HIV. 

I don't think they are either, I just used them because they were the names that were used. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

36 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Players also aren't playing 3/4 years of college. They are generally retiring at the same age.


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True, I didn't think about that. Takes us back to the "one and done sucks" discussion. Those guys were all instant contributors when they came into the league, thanks in large part to staying in college. Both leagues would be better off if players had to stay in college longer, but I digress lol. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Players also aren't playing 3/4 years of college. They are generally retiring at the same age.


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Has there been a study on that always been curious.

[mdn82]

It would be interesting to see the average amount of years for players now and then.


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It's always been about 4.5 years for players. Hard to cherry pick stars and track as there are extenuating circumstances in both eras. But the average player doesn't last long.


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[HoosierHoops1]

I think you have to use stars/starters to gauge longevity while  playing hard, because the short careers are more often talent driven not wear and tear.

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Here's some stuff. Not exactly what we're looking for, but interesting nonetheless. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/30/the-kobe-bryant-outlier-how-his-career-compares-to-the-nba-average

https://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/average-nba-career-length-for-players-details/

[mdn82]

I think you have to use stars/starters to gauge longevity while  playing hard, because the short careers are more often talent driven not wear and tear.
 

Who determines what a star is? What is the criteria? Some numbers are driven by longevity. Some are driven by rules. A player can be a starter one year and out of the league the next not due to talent. There are so many variables it is impossible to quantify. Much like who is the GOAT. It is a preference. Numbers are there much like any instance to tell a story anyone wants to tell. Not give a black and white answer.


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[MoyeNeeded]

I watch this video and saw more screens in it than the last 9 years of Crean.  The video is only 5 minutes long.

Bird only played 13 seasons. Magic played 12.5. Thomas played 13. Players today are playing longer than that. 

Vincer Carter just finished season 19. Kobe played 20. Paul Pierced played 19 years. LeBron is on year 14. Kevin Garnett played 21 years. 

I saw Priller set more in one game than the team in FCTC's tenure!

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[RaceToTheTop]

If he was looking for options out of BTown, it would also make sense for him to just say so as well.

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[BGleas]

I don't have the links, as it's been a few articles I've read examining this over the years, but in terms of NBA production I think it's less about age/years and more about minutes. I think I've read in the past that the magic number is somewhere around 36,000-40,000 minutes. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Bird only played 13 seasons. Magic played 12.5. Thomas played 13. Players today are playing longer than that. 

Vincer Carter just finished season 19. Kobe played 20. Paul Pierced played 19 years. LeBron is on year 14. Kevin Garnett played 21 years. 

I'd rather see players play hard all the time in a shortened career than not see it and a career lasting 20 yrs.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Not sure if those are the best players from the "previous generation to use as comparisons.
Sure, Bird had back problems largely due to his all-out style of play, but Isiah had a bad injury (which may or may not be addressed differently now) and Magic had HIV. 

Bird,, Magic and Thomas weren't some of the best from that generation?

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[HoosierHoops1]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Who determines what a star is? What is the criteria? Some numbers are driven by longevity. Some are driven by rules. A player can be a starter one year and out of the league the next not due to talent. There are so many variables it is impossible to quantify. Much like who is the GOAT. It is a preference. Numbers are there much like any instance to tell a story anyone wants to tell. Not give a black and white answer.


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I'm thinking that stars/starters would be more accurate than every single player. 

It wouldn't be too difficult to know the difference between Magic Johnson starting 77 games and whomever started the other 5. 

The questions was about career longevity based on how hard you play (if playing hard makes your career shorter). 

2, 3, 4 year careers shouldn't figure into longevity in any era.

[HoosierHoops1]

It would be difficult to quantify if we were looking for a single proving instance, but we're just seeing if the avg career of the "usual suspects" is longer.

 

[mdn82]

It would be difficult to quantify if we were looking for a single proving instance, but we're just seeing if the avg career of the "usual suspects" is longer.

 

I get that. But how are you going to do that? The majority of stars over the last 15 years were straight out of high school or one and done. 20-30 years ago you stayed 3-4 years. Big difference. Say they missed out on just 3 years. That's a potential for 7200 minutes at just 30 mpg.

 

 

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[Tom White]

Bird,, Magic and Thomas weren't some of the best from that generation?

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Replace the word "best" with "most appropriate".

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Replace the word "best" with "most appropriate".

So who was better?

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[LamarCheeks]

OK. Now that I've read a boatload on Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, etc., does anybody know what's going on with Robert Johnson -- the IU guy who may or may not be back in B-Town next season? 

[Uspshoosier]

Bryant at combine: "I knew from the start that I didn't want to go back to school. No disrespect to our new coach at all or coach Crean."

@insidethehall

 

Bryant said he views IU's struggles this past season as a "blessing in disguise because it made us mentally tough." #iubb

 

 

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