Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[mdn82]

Next year could look very ugly offensively.


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If we work through the post we will be fine. We have guys in the gym making that jump as we speak. We just don't have a player going to make contested 3's. Hopefully we don't have to anymore. I actually like our team and it's potential. It is just going to have to start at the defensive end.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

From an Osterman column in the Indpls. Star.

“I think he’s (Blackmon) probably a second-round to fringe-type of guy right now,” one NBA scout told IndyStar's Zach Osterman. “Everyone knows he can score the ball and he shoots it with the best of them. At that size, he’s got to be able to get his point guard and distributing capabilities up to par.”

Another scout was less bullish.

“I think he’s even more so than Thomas (Bryant) a guy that NBA scouts have pretty much pigeon-holed as a one-trick pony, rightly or wrongly,” the scout said. “He’s a shooter, but he’s an undersized shooter.”

[Hoosier Guy]

Next year could look very ugly offensively.


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It'll look good defensively though for obvious reasons. IU will be fine. They've got Archie


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[HoosierAloha]

I don't follow your reasoning. Why do you say this?

That these guys played at IU not for Indiana.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I don't follow your reasoning. Why do you say this?

Everything I've seen including the actions this off season indicate getting to the league has always been the #1 goal, with winning games being a byproduct.

Instead of the vice versa. Winning games begetting NBA draft opportunities.

I know it's hard to differentiate but it's how I feel. As soon as our players saw themselves on Mock draft boards it was over. BB4IU alluded to this before as well.




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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I can't agree with that statement in regards to OG.  But when he saw his draft potential remain high in spite of the injury he's making the smart move by taking the money and running.  Don't like it, but it's the smart move for OG.  As for TB, I think his decision to leave was sealed when FG terminated FCTC.  Clearly he always had pro dreams but barring the termination, I believe he would have stuck around for another season and would have played hard for FCTC.  JBJ had checked out of IU after his freshman season because he always saw himself as a one and one and in reality maybe he really never 'checked in'.  Clearly IU was never the #1 focus for JBJ.

I agree with this. Well stated OF.


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[HoosierAloha]

If we work through the post we will be fine. We have guys in the gym making that jump as we speak. We just don't have a player going to make contested 3's. Hopefully we don't have to anymore. I actually like our team and it's potential. It is just going to have to start at the defensive end.


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Agree with this. It's amazing how good shooters turn into great shooters when they're wide open after a pass from the post. Davis has the potential to be extremely difficult to guard in the post. I can see Morgan and Hartman both being difficult matchups too.

[Hoosier Guy]

Everything I've seen including the actions this off season indicate getting to the league has always been the #1 goal, with winning games being a byproduct.

Instead of the vice versa. Winning games begetting NBA draft opportunities.

I know it's hard to differentiate but it's how I feel. As soon as our players saw themselves on Mock draft boards it was over. BB4IU alluded to this before as well.




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This is how I feel as well. Those guys just couldn't wait until the season concluded. And that becomes much more apparent now with the departures of said players


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[Hoosierfan2017]

Losing Blackmon sucks, but we'll be okay. I see our team being a scrappy bunch that plays with a chip on their shoulder.

De'ron has the chance to be a star next year and by staying in Bloomington all summer it looks like he's serious about reaching that level. Devonté has that swagger that you need from your point guard and I think Archie is really going to like him.

I'm excited to watch them play next year. We lost a lot of offensive firepower, but we ended up with an experienced team that will give 100% and play all season long like they have something to prove. I think Archie will really get them to feed off that underdog label. 

[SteelerHoosier]

Well at least we are no longer over signed, right? Not surprised by the news that all three of those guys are staying in the draft. Good luck to them. I hope they represent IU well wherever their pro careers take them. Will be interesting to see how the rotation shakes out come winter.  

[Stuhoo]

Now, it feels less like a "collection of talent" and more like a team.

 

 

[SteelerHoosier]

1 hour ago, Hoosier Guy said:

It'll look good defensively though for obvious reasons. IU will be fine. They've got Archie


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Probably not this year. Better? Yes. Good? I am not holding my breath for it. 

[AKHoosier]

59 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Agree with this. It's amazing how good shooters turn into great shooters when they're wide open after a pass from the post. Davis has the potential to be extremely difficult to guard in the post. I can see Morgan and Hartman both being difficult matchups too.

Yep and the inverse is also true.  It's amazing how good shooters can turn into bad shooters when they're no longer wide open after a pass from the post.

You'll see it next year at Purdue when Swanigan is no longer there to kick it out to Mathias, Cline, Thompson, etc for a wide open 3.  I'm sure some of those guys really did improve as shooters, but a huge reason why their numbers went up was because Swanigan was double-teamed, leaving a perimeter guy open.

[Brass Cannon]

We aren't going to have to start a freshmen and will start 3 possibly 4 upper class men. That with good coaching should put us in good position every game

[Josh]

Everything I've seen including the actions this off season indicate getting to the league has always been the #1 goal, with winning games being a byproduct.

Instead of the vice versa. Winning games begetting NBA draft opportunities.

I know it's hard to differentiate but it's how I feel. As soon as our players saw themselves on Mock draft boards it was over. BB4IU alluded to this before as well.




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I don't buy it. I feel like Bryant desperately wanted to win. Same with OG and Blackmon. The only one who seemed to check out was Rojo imo

[Stuhoo]

 

Y'all understand that this will be by far the most talented collection of players that Archie will have ever worked with, yes?

 

 

[VO5]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Now, it feels less like a "collection of talent" and more like a team.

 

 

Less guys worried about the NBA and more out to prove themselves. I think that's the type of team Archie excels with. I'm excited for the upcoming year

[Aaron]

I don't mean to get on "Brass Cannon" at all as I like him as a poster but he still has not updated the chart in his original post to reflect Bryant and JBJ's departure. Understandable with JBJ since it happened this morning but I would of thought Bryant would be updated in the chart by now.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

If we work through the post we will be fine. We have guys in the gym making that jump as we speak. We just don't have a player going to make contested 3's. Hopefully we don't have to anymore. I actually like our team and it's potential. It is just going to have to start at the defensive end.


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This all day long. I don't see the gloom and Doom next yr. Will we be top 4? Probably not. But I think better than our finish this yr.

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[recker222000]

I wish these guys well, I genuinely do, but it really explains in part, why our season was such a disaster.

I think all 3 have a shot at the NBA if things go bounce their way. I could see all 3 flame out too. Neither would surprise me. All 3 easily have the potential to play professionally even if it's not the NBA.

Bottom line, winning games at IU wasn't the #1 focus of our best guys.


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You got it.

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