TOM CREAN FIRED

[Hoosier Guy]

1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

 

Just because you're mad they lost that game doesn't mean they didn't care. They had been slumping for a month+ and playing bad basketball overall. The whole "who wants it more" thing is crap. It comes down to who is playing better basketball. Pretty sure Bob Knight said something along those lines in his Power of Negativity book.


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The "who wants it more thing" is not crap. Games are not just about talent but about passion, motivation and dedication as well

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

I just watched the temple game again. Temple had a great game plan and Wyatt was ridiculous. Iu looked like they cared but for whatever reason they were getting outplayed. Vic looked like he cared when he drained that 3. Talented teams lose all the time. Sometimes you are on the wrong end of games when u are th favorites. Wonder how Duke fans felt in 2002 when their team of 6 first rounders lost in the sweet 16 to IU


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The difference is for coach K he wins more big games than he loses. Crean has won how many truly epic postseason games?  1 or 2?  

[BlueDevil]

I just watched the temple game again. Temple had a great game plan and Wyatt was ridiculous. Iu looked like they cared but for whatever reason they were getting outplayed. Vic looked like he cared when he drained that 3. Talented teams lose all the time. Sometimes you are on the wrong end of games when u are th favorites. Wonder how Duke fans felt in 2002 when their team of 6 first rounders lost in the sweet 16 to IU


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F off


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[Hoosier Guy]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I just watched the temple game again. Temple had a great game plan and Wyatt was ridiculous. Iu looked like they cared but for whatever reason they were getting outplayed. Vic looked like he cared when he drained that 3. Talented teams lose all the time. Sometimes you are on the wrong end of games when u are th favorites. Wonder how Duke fans felt in 2002 when their team of 6 first rounders lost in the sweet 16 to IU


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They were outplayed because Temple had a game plan while IU did not. Something that would become far too obvious over the next four years

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Syracuse was a top 10 preseason team that year as well that under preformed all year to get a 4 seed. People seem to forget that and think that Syracuse was trash that year


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My thing with the Syracuse loss is 1: everyone in the world knows what Syracuse does with that zone, yes they were athletic and long, but it's not like that should have been a surprise. Especially since Crean played them every year at Marquette. They don't really change their system he should have been more than ready for it.
2: he had an ideal team to beat the zone. 2-4 good to great 3 pt shooters on the floor at all times and Zeller in the middle to crash the zone. Vic to slash and kick. I know that cuse team was good but IMO there was no excuse for losing to them. Completely outcoached and unprepared (as per usual)

[Hoosier Guy]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The difference is for coach K he wins more big games than he loses. Crean has won how many truly epic postseason games?  1 or 2?  

Exactly. Duke had won 3 national championships under K before that loss to IU. Big difference

[Uspshoosier]

They were outplayed because Temple had a game plan while IU did not. Something that would become far too obvious over the next four years

Or they just played harder. Did Syracuse not have a game plan when that temple team beat them earlier in the year. Losing happens regardless of having a terrible coach or a hall of fame coach. Sometimes it's just not your night


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[Hoosier Guy]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Or they just played harder. Did Syracuse not have a game plan when that temple team beat them earlier in the year. Losing happens regardless of having a terrible coach or a hall of fame coach. Sometimes it's just not your night


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Games aren't just about talent but execution, passion, motivation and dedication as well

[Uspshoosier]

The difference is for coach K he wins more big games than he loses. Crean has won how many truly epic postseason games?  1 or 2?  

It was just an example. I wonder how Georgetown fans felt that year when their 2 seeded Hoyas with a top 5 pick lost to Florida gulf coast in the 1st round


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[Uspshoosier]

Games aren't just about talent but execution, passion, motivation and dedication as well

And scoring more points then your opponents


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[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

And scoring more points then your opponents


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Which falls in line with all of what I just said

[Trish]

U mean like every team that has lost to Syracuse in the last 15 years since he has ran it for that long. They won a national title playing that 2-3 zone that teams had a full week to prepare for. While iu looked terrible against it don't act like it's a normal 2-3 zone with the length and height of the guards he recruits for his system. There was a reason their defense was the 7th adjusted defense that year. Just think how Marquette fans felt when they only scored 39 points in the elite 8 against the 2-3 zone


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Fair point, but I'm on the side we were unprepared for it. I can't remember the game exactly, but I believe there was very little ball movement.

Like I tell my team, the zone moves when the ball moves.


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[Uspshoosier]

Which falls in line with all of what I just said

Yep sometimes the team that isn't the best wins(Villanova beating Georgetown for the title shooting over 80 percent for the game) and sometimes the most talented team wins (Kentucky winning it in 2012). It's part of college basketball


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[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Yep sometimes the team that isn't the best wins(Villanova beating Georgetown for the title shooting over 80 percent for the game) and sometimes the most talented team wins (Kentucky winning it in 2012). It's part of college basketball


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My biggest gripe with that team though was that I knew that was gonna be Crean's best shot to win a national championship at IU. They didn't deliver and I was so mad because not only were they so good but I knew he wouldn't have that talented a team ever again at IU. I was literally heart broken

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Fair point, but I'm on the side we were unprepared for it. I can't remember the game exactly, but I believe there was very little ball movement.

Like I tell my team, the zone moves when the ball moves.


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That's fair, but my counter to that would be he has one 1 championship (with Carmelo Anthony) and the year IU lost in the S16 they were 5-5 against ranked opponents. I'm not saying they're not good, obviously Boheim is a HOF. But IMO there's no reason that IU team shouldn't have won that game.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Let's get back on topic..

Fire.Tom.Crean.

That 2012-13 season saddens me because I'd gladly take years like that every year.

Also, Tom Crean botched many games that year, not just Syracuse(Syracuse was good BTW. Really good). But we weren't even the slightest bit prepared.


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[Uspshoosier]

That's fair, but my counter to that would be he has one 1 championship (with Carmelo Anthony) and the year IU lost in the S16 they were 5-5 against ranked opponents. I'm not saying they're not good, obviously Boheim is a HOF. But IMO there's no reason that IU team shouldn't have won that game.

Besides his championship he had 2 other years playing in the championship games(without melo) up until that point. Obviously he added another final 4 run that year with a talented team that had NBA players on the roster

As Wayne says back on topic fire crean

 

 

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[Hoosierfan2017]

Any chance Crean gets fired if we go to Minnesota Wednesday night and get beat down? We have nearly a week after it before our next game. Plenty of time for an interim coach to get settled in. Plz Fred plz. 

[Hovadipo]

The "who wants it more thing" is not crap. Games are not just about talent but about passion, motivation and dedication as well

So you think Syracuse wanted to win more than IU? Because yeah that's crap lol.


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[Brass Cannon]

5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

So you think Syracuse wanted to win more than IU? Because yeah that's crap lol.


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Both teams wanted to win. Syracuse was more willing to do the things that lead to winning games