TOM CREAN FIRED

[recker222000]

Im holding on to this with every fiber of my being.

I'm not surprised. It's best for both parties.

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[recker222000]

I'm all honesty we may never get banner number six but I do with with crean it for sure won't happen. So imo it's time to try somebody new.

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[HoosierAloha]

Sooo... what's with people not realizing that the Celtics are a "blueblood" of the NBA, and BS is currently bringing it back to its former glory...?

 

The only draw outside of the NBA vs. College argument is that BS supposedly said IU is his dream job. People's opinions also change over time... I don't think there is really any logical reason why he would chose IU over Boston.

 

Not saying it won't happen, but there isn't a strong argument why it's even reasonable to think it could happen.

 

 

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There are many reasons that make it plausible why he could choose IU over staying in Boston.

- how does the fam feel indiana vs. Boston
- chance to be a legend in your home state
- chance to complete unfinished business
- chance to have your "dream job"

What's with people assuming that people assume the Celtics aren't a "blue blood" in the NBA? The Celtics are a top 2 job in the history of the league.

Has every coach/player/employee picked the greatest franchise/employer? That would make for an extremely boring world.

[sierracoach]

6 hours ago, Ryno6284 said:

To much Andy Enfeld, Shaka Smart for me.  I want a fundamental coach.  Give me Archie, if not Stevens!  Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stay away from Hoiberg!  He will not unite the fanbase.  I don't think Archie will either, but after 2-3 years people will see what he will do here!  Longevity.

IIRC Hoiberg would be owed $15 Mil by the Bulls if they let him go during/after this season--in addition to the $$ they still owe Thibodeau. And he doesn't coach defense (I know, I know: he could hire a great defensive assistant--where have I heard that one before?)

[GloryDays]

 

 

I really think Bennett would be a great hire and would unite the fanbase.Fundamental and defense minded.Virginia is a nice job but as one poster noted they will always play second fiddle in the ACC. IU, even with our lack of sucess is still seen as a national blueblood.I have to believe Indiana high school coaches would have more respect for him than they have for Crean.Tom's screwed the pooch there and is a walking dead man because of it.Bennett is a already recuiting the state hard and getting results.Throw the bank at him.

[Scooter D]

CTC needs to be fired simply because IU is a dog at home to Purdue.  No more evidence is needed.  

[Stuhoo]

5 hours ago, sierracoach said:

IIRC Hoiberg would be owed $15 Mil by the Bulls if they let him go during/after this season--in addition to the $$ they still owe Thibodeau. And he doesn't coach defense (I know, I know: he could hire a great defensive assistant--where have I heard that one before?)

 

If the Bulls want to sever ties with Hoiberg, and IU wants to sever ties with CTC, and IU wants Hoiberg...

The finances will absolutely be worked out.

For that matter, pretty much all big name coaches have a substantial buyout on paper. If a coach truly doesn't want to be where he is, the buyout is invariably worked out.

 

 

[HooHooHoo22]

I'm also all in for Bennett if we can't get Brad or Donovan. There's a chance we can miss on all 3 and that's where it gets hard. I can't fully feel comfortable with hiring any of the other coaches.


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[Stuhoo]

13 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

I'm also all in for Bennett if we can't get Brad or Donovan. There's a chance we can miss on all 3 and that's where it gets hard. I can't fully feel comfortable with hiring any of the other coaches.


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I get it, but the chances of full comfort with the new hire are pretty low.

Sooo...given that IU will do their due diligence on the marquee hires and that they are all quite unlikely, the choice then becomes a "lower comfort level" hire, or CTC indefinitely.

Then which do y'all prefer?

 

[HooHooHoo22]

 

I get it, but the chances of full comfort with the new hire are pretty low.

Sooo...given that IU will do their due diligence on the marquee hires and that they are all quite unlikely, the choice then becomes a "lower comfort level" hire, or CTC indefinitely.

Then which do y'all prefer?

 

Definitely the lower comfort level hire. This is just a big decision and I hope they get it right. Within the next years or so I believe Duke, Michigan St and maybe other big time programs will be looking for a new coach. Maybe some coaches like Donovan or Bennett could be waiting for a job like that. At this moment though, I'm just overthinking everything lol.


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[Stuhoo]

6 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

Definitely the lower comfort level hire. This is just a big decision and I hope they get it right. Within the next years or so I believe Duke, Michigan St and maybe other big time programs will be looking for a new coach. Maybe some coaches like Donovan or Bennett could be waiting for a job like that. At this moment though, I'm just overthinking everything lol.


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Great point that no one has touched on yet. 

Within the next five years, UNC, Syracuse, Duke, and maybe MSU will be looking for marquee replacements.

None of them are likely to be looking after this season, which means we could be the primary blue blood destination for an A level up and coming coach who is thinking about a move. 

 

 

[Toothdr]

I think it's very possible IU could end up dropping down to their 6-8 option. I think we are all a little overly optimistic on who wants to coach here. Just my opinion.


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[BlueDevil]

I think it's very possible IU could end up dropping down to their 6-8 option. I think we are all a little overly optimistic on who wants to coach here. Just my opinion.

 

 

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disregard I totally read this wrong. Agree. anyways.

 

 

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[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Toothdr said:

I think it's very possible IU could end up dropping down to their 6-8 option. I think we are all a little overly optimistic on who wants to coach here. Just my opinion.


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True, but only if y'all have unrealistic expectations as to who options 1-5 are. If any of your options 1-5 are: Self, Stevens, Wright, Donovan, and Bennett?

Start looking at your 6-8th option as the most likely choice.

If your 1-5 options are Marshall, Archie, Hoiberg, Mack, and Jacobsen?

You are much more likely to be pleased that one of your primary choices gets the nod.

Moral of the story: Some of the coaches who are perceived as "primary options" have absolutely, positively no desire to leave where they are; not for IU or anywhere else. And no, an open checkbook will not change that.

 

[IUHAHN81]

2 minutes ago, BlueDevil2aHoosier said:

 

 

But why? I never understand why people say this. If it opens up IU will be the number 1 job opening in the country. And I'll say it again, thanks to what Crean has done there will be plenty of interest. If it's because of fear of the pressure to win then I don't want them at IU anyways.

 

 

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And THAT is exactly what is is for most!

[Toothdr]

Exactly stuhoo


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[Trish]

Not surprised by the talk of a possible split. I'm sure Glass has already met with Crean to talk about what direction the program is going in. 

[Toothdr]

When I read these boards there are too many people who have unrealistic 1-6 options. Those are unrealistic for many different reasons.


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[Trish]

13 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Most venerable poster Milehiiu on the 247 board is very far from a Crean hater.
He just posted that there is movement toward an amicable split.
FWIW

I remember him from the Scout board. I trust his words. 

[JSHoosier]

IU is one of the premier jobs in college, expecting the program to do what it takes to get that level coach isn't unrealistic.  The only debate is if the coach is currently in the NBA, IU is a clear and undeniable upgrade over the likes of Villanova and Virginia.

People act like we're friggin' Purdue.

EDIT:  It's easy to assume this or that coach won't be interested for this or that reason.  Only they know that.  You have to do what it takes to get the top options, period.  Assuming and automatically looking at the second and third tier sounds like a good way to end up with Tom Crean 2.0.