TOM CREAN FIRED

[IUrocker 2,474]

Even my wife wants there to be a change in coach. I told her that I'd be so excited to see Crean gone that it would result in taking her out for dinner and a movie! 

[Alford Bailey 13,189]

Ready for this to be over. If Crean is back because he couldnt find another job, WOW! What does that say about Crean, Glass and the state of the program? Hoping for a different outcome.

[mdn82 26,344]

Well because 20 years of coaching would tell anyone that he isn't worth $3.2m. He is grossly overpaid and a correction is due.


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Who sets the market? He did. Whether or not others feel he is overpaid doesn't matter. He can walk into any interview knowing he won't be offered a 30-50% decrease in pay. The fact that anyone truly believes this could happen is crazy. Mizzou or any other school wouldn't waste their time or his. It's like us going after Billy D. If that is true or not I truly don't know. But we wouldn't contact him unless we are willing to meet or come close to his current contract. Does anyone truly think we would walk into negotiations saying, "We will offer you $4.2?" No with negotiations you first find out if there is interests. You run a pitch to said person. Then if there is mutual interest you find out what their expectations are with pay for not only yourself, but assistants as well, plus recruiting budgets. From there negotiations occur. You don't start with a 30% pay decrease if you are interested in the person.


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[schoosier 3,724]

1 hour ago, IUrocker said:

Aren't there at least a handful of other schools that have openings who would love to have Crean? I'm hoping we don't have to think there are only one or two schools Crean would go for, in turn limiting the chances of him being gone...(considering Glass seems so adamant in him finding a landing place instead of just getting it over with and firing him). There's another part of me that thinks once our season is officially over, he will then announce he is gone and just hasn't done it yet since we still have another game to play. 

I think we counted upwards of 19 jobs open yesterday. Certainly, Crean could find one of them.

[Redandyz 151]

4 minutes ago, schoosier said:

I think we counted upwards of 19 jobs open yesterday. Certainly, Crean could find one of them.

There may be 19 jobs but only a few (if any) would be willing to pony up for his $3M price tag that (based on what we've heard out of Missou) he feels he deserves.  I would expect him to try and weather the storm at IU, making Glass fire him and pay the buy out, before taking a job at like George Washington.

[theriverpilot 6,701]

6 minutes ago, schoosier said:

I think we counted upwards of 19 jobs open yesterday. Certainly, Crean could find one of them.

How many of those are willing to offer Crean 3 million a year as MDN stated above though?

[Redandyz 151]

26 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

Even my wife wants there to be a change in coach. I told her that I'd be so excited to see Crean gone that it would result in taking her out for dinner and a movie! 

My wife wants a change quickly because she's tired of me ignoring her and the kids while I scour btown banners, 247, and Twitter for tidbits of info on Crean/future coaches!

[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,597]

5 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

How many of those are willing to offer Crean 3 million a year as MDN stated above though?

The industry as a whole does not view him as a bad coach or recruiter and he will land on his feet.  Our extreme level of dissatisfaction with his peformance at IU colors our thinking in this regard.

[theriverpilot 6,701]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The industry as a whole does not view him as a bad coach or recruiter and he will land on his feet.  Our extreme level of dissatisfaction with his peformance at IU colors our thinking in this regard.

Good point and I agree that he won't have any trouble landing another coaching gig if it comes to that.

[tortex28 398]

Slow morning here.  The calm before the storm maybe?  :-)

I sure hope so

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[ap2345 11,254]

Sounds like he has questions about Creans future at Indiana.

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[RickyIU 90]

58 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yep. When people are saying his base offer was like $1.5 million being offered with incentives that is just stupid. What team is going to come at a man with a base at $3.2 and ask him to leave for a paycut that large? Crean and Glass have taken a beating on here and elsewhere based on very little fact. His coaching sucks, but the rumors going on that everyone wants to lynch those two on are probably 98% false.


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Where are people hearing/seeing this $1.5 million? I find it extremely hard to believe those numbers were leaked.

[IUrocker 2,474]

17 minutes ago, Redandyz said:

My wife wants a change quickly because she's tired of me ignoring her and the kids while I scour btown banners, 247, and Twitter for tidbits of info on Crean/future coaches!

Haha, yes I've got that going on with me at my house as well! 

[Shoes_N_Shorts 210]

2 minutes ago, RickyIU said:

Where are people hearing/seeing this $1.5 million? I find it extremely hard to believe those numbers were leaked.

There is no chance that this actually happened. 

It's human nature to want all the answers, RIGHT NOW! This isn't a situation where there are any answers yet. Relax, enjoy tonight's game (whether rooting for a win or a loss), and don't expect any sort of movement with the head coach of Indiana until another school decides they want him. At that point, Indiana's move will be determined by the NCAA tournament. 

 

Patience...

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

So Justin Albers tweeted Jordan Tucker is ready to commit to IU just wants some assurances about coaching situation. This dude is getting on my nerves. Tucker said as much in his article but not those exact words so Albers reads it and makes this assumption acting like he is breaking some sort of news lol.

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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The industry as a whole does not view him as a bad coach or recruiter and he will land on his feet.  Our extreme level of dissatisfaction with his peformance at IU colors our thinking in this regard.

Yup. The guy is a .600 coach, with a Final Four, moderate tournament success, solid NBA prospects, recruiting prowess, and generally good guy to have as part of your athletic deparment. He's not a top 5 coach, which is what Indiana wants. 

[ap2345 11,254]

Yeah Justin Albers is good at twisting around other people's info. 

[mdn82 26,344]

Where are people hearing/seeing this $1.5 million? I find it extremely hard to believe those numbers were leaked.

Exactly. There were numbers ranging from $1.5 to $2.5 on TOS. With incentives. Those numbers leaked into Mizzou rivals boards. Then Gabe from Mizzou Scout was inundated with tweets wanting to know why the school was lowballing Crean. He said those were obviously false rumors which in turn started this discussion. Which I feel is even crazy that it needs to be had along with some of the other things Crean and Glass are being hated on. Crean is not a good coach. Glass has made two monumental mistakes within his department over the last year. They should be disliked at their job for facts (which there are plenty), and not a piling on witch hunt of lies from people seeking attention (aka "insiders") that are so blatantly false and non sensical it is embarrassing such a smart fan base can buy into them.


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[HoosierSadaseci 2,985]

1 hour ago, theriverpilot said:

Random internet posters!  Pfft.  Who does he think he is!?  We're a well-oiled, well-educated fan base here  ;-)

Word.

[IUrocker 2,474]

Hopefully Jordan Tucker being in waiting, if true, isn't something big enough for Crean to use in persuading Glass he should stay. Maybe Tucker is aware that Crean will be gone and is waiting to see who the coach will be at IU before he commits to going there. That would obviously mean though that he is truly interested in playing ball at IU and not just for Crean, but would depend on who the replacement would actually be.