TOM CREAN FIRED

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

So playing good in one game gives him a pass to play like crap in others all he wants?

It shouldnt but under Crean playing time is guaranteed it seems regardless of production.

Without Troy Williams, we are not in the Big Ten Title hunt this year or even in the Tourney last year.

 

I'm not getting dragged into another pointless argument, so that's all I'll say about it.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

The idea that Crean promises playing time to get recruits is so unbelievably stupid and illuminates a relative lack of knowledge of how college basketball works in 2016. Hint: it's quite different than 1986.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

You're just not a real IU fan

These types of posts aren't welcome here. Add to the discussion and refrain from personal attacks, or find a new board

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

Without Troy Williams, we are not in the Big Ten Title hunt this year or even in the Tourney last year.

 

I'm not getting dragged into another pointless argument, so that's all I'll say about it.

This person is confrontational and condescending. I wouldn't pay him any attention and avoid him at all costs.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

These types of posts aren't welcome here. Add to the discussion and refrain from personal attacks, or find a new board

Pure sarcasm.

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

Without Troy Williams, we are not in the Big Ten Title hunt this year or even in the Tourney last year.

I'm not getting dragged into another pointless argument, so that's all I'll say about it.

I never said Troy shouldn't get PT so not trying to drag you into an argument.

but Troy plays like crap some games and continues to get PT that game. That is not helping the team or Troy

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,007]

Again, point is valid on both ends.

Crean plays his "best" players significant minutes and sometimes fails to recognize when said player is hurting the team (I.e Blackmon or Troy or XYZ)

Secondarily, Troy is a huge impact maker when on. Crean is likely hoping Troy snaps out of his funks with extended minutes.

Both sides have good points.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,007]

The idea that Crean promises playing time to get recruits is so unbelievably stupid and illuminates a relative lack of knowledge of how college basketball works in 2016. Hint: it's quite different than 1986.

disagree.

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

disagree.

Elaborate, please! Would love to know inside stuff. PM if that's not allowed here

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,007]

Elaborate, please! Would love to know inside stuff. PM if that's not allowed here

my reply is the same. Give me inside info to prove your point.

Based on basketball4iu and I's discussions, some background information with the Blackmon's, and watching how and where playing time is applied is enough for me to believe what I believe.

And what I believe is, yes, things are said to recruits to get them to sign. It's not necessarily starting spots, but it could be. If it is starting spots, it's because that coach sees them actually starting.

[Defenserocks28 393]

Drew has consistently fielded an offense and defense below a level I would find acceptable at Indiana. In his best season coaching, with a top-5 defense, he is still 12 spots behind us on KenPom. 41st best offense his second year. And... what? Why not say that about literally any coach? He also doesn't have to play against guys who are recruited as highly. Tom Crean can't recruit guys who are good at both offense and defense to Indiana, maybe he could at Kentucky.

 

Billy Kennedy is closer, but still no dice. Until last year, his numbers were consistent between SE Louisiana, Murray, and A&M. He even had quick flashes of decency (like this year) at Murray.

 

And your love life would be a great analogy if it was at all analogous. We can't date around looking for the right match, we can't hang out with a coach for a couple of months and then decide it's not working out so we see if we can meet a new coach at Nick's. It's like if you knew your ex wasn't the one, but after you break up with her you have to enter into another relationship within the month and you have to stay in that relationship for at least 3 years. Selecting a college coach is a big commitment and can tank your program in just a few short years if done incorrectly. Just look at schools who made bad decisions for short-term coaches and how long it took them to climb back up, a good example is Indiana University if you ever watch them. It took them 10 years to make it past the first weekend after they made some bad hiring decisions back in 2000.  And they got stuck with one of them for 6 years! Can you imagine if you knew it wasn't working out with your ex so you hastily decided to hook-up with her best friend and got stuck with her for 6 years even though she kind of sucked?

Well does she or doesn't she???!!  Could be worth it depending...

 

Feel free to delete mods 

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

my reply is the same. Give me inside info to prove your point.

Based on basketball4iu and I's discussions, some background information with the Blackmon's, and watching how and where playing time is applied is enough for me to believe what I believe.

And what I believe is, yes, things are said to recruits to get them to sign. It's not necessarily starting spots, but it could be. If it is starting spots, it's because that coach sees them actually starting.

Things are said to get recruits to sign...So it's no different than any other functioning high major program... Thanks for clarifying

[BGleas 8,472]

I have no doubt promises are made in terms of starting/playing time, but I'd call them "soft" promises. No coach in their right mind would promise a player he'd start regardless of performance/effort or what's best for the team once the games actually start. You say things like, "you'll be our starting two-guard from day 1, but you'll have to continually earn it, work hard and dedicate yourself, things won't always be easy, etc." 

 

my reply is the same. Give me inside info to prove your point.

Based on basketball4iu and I's discussions, some background information with the Blackmon's, and watching how and where playing time is applied is enough for me to believe what I believe.

And what I believe is, yes, things are said to recruits to get them to sign. It's not necessarily starting spots, but it could be. If it is starting spots, it's because that coach sees them actually starting.

[Scooter D 928]

I love your passion for IU hoops and persistence on this topic, but with the season that the Hoosiers are having, there is little to no chance that Crean is getting fired after this season.  If IU wins the Big 10, he might be coach of the year.

 

My two-cents, when he does go, my pick is still Bill D (at some point, he is going to get sick of the NBA).

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

For sake of discussion here is my prospective list, no matter when it occurs.

1. Stephens
2. Donavon
3. S. Miller
4. Jacobsen
5. A. Miller
6. Mack

[coonhounds 10,192]

I have no doubt promises are made in terms of starting/playing time, but I'd call them "soft" promises. No coach in their right mind would promise a player he'd start regardless of performance/effort or what's best for the team once the games actually start. You say things like, "you'll be our starting two-guard from day 1, but you'll have to continually earn it, work hard and dedicate yourself, things won't always be easy, etc."

sure seams crean has went out of his way to start certain lame duck players when clearly they should have been sitting. This is a argument that can never be proven so no use getting to wrapped up in it i guess.

[mdn82 25,921]

I am sorry man.  The WP doesn't count.  Lol, I should go further.  You just don't see sarcasm from new posters often. 

 

That was to MadAboutIndiana.  I will make sure everyone knows that was my bad. 

[coonhounds 10,192]

I love your passion for IU hoops and persistence on this topic, but with the season that the Hoosiers are having, there is little to no chance that Crean is getting fired after this season. If IU wins the Big 10, he might be coach of the year.

My two-cents, when he does go, my pick is still Bill D (at some point, he is going to get sick of the NBA).

if we lose two out of next three and have our usual tourney experience he should be fired. If we win two of next three then it is debatable. If he wins the next three then we have to keep him. Just pointing out it is way to early to say anything lot of work left to be done to meet the expectations glass has said he wanted.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,007]

I have no doubt promises are made in terms of starting/playing time, but I'd call them "soft" promises. No coach in their right mind would promise a player he'd start regardless of performance/effort or what's best for the team once the games actually start. You say things like, "you'll be our starting two-guard from day 1, but you'll have to continually earn it, work hard and dedicate yourself, things won't always be easy, etc."

of course. Every 5 star player we've had has been a day 1 starter. Have they all deserved it? Maybe/probably.

Hollowell was force fed playing time and was bad nearly all the time. Troy wasn't ready for big minutes early in his career. I'm sure there are other examples. Blackmon recently??

[Hovadipo 59,899]

of course. Every 5 star player we've had has been a day 1 starter. Have they all deserved it? Maybe/probably.

Hollowell was force fed playing time and was bad nearly all the time. Troy wasn't ready for big minutes early in his career. I'm sure there are other examples. Blackmon recently??

Hollowell was definitely force fed minutes his 2nd year (that point guard experiment especially...wut?), but thought he played some productive minutes as a freshy especially at home against Michigan. I don't think I'd agree Blackmon played unearned minutes as a freshman though. He was a pretty prolific scorer from the get-go. He was bad on defense, but I don't think he was or is ever going to be good on D. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, for the most part, our big time recruits play pretty well deserved minutes.

tl;dr...I agree for the most part.