TOM CREAN FIRED

[coonhounds 9,985]

He also didn't have any players coming in that could shoot to replace Hulls and Watford, apparently he didn't realize they only had 4 years of eligibility and that the incoming recruits couldn't shoot even though he scouted them.
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His best coaching was his first three years as glass even said and i felt the same way glad he seen it same as me. We didn't use cody right from the start he sucked at developing big men he creaned kids then complained about having young teams. Dude was a decent speaker but i truly believe was terrible coach. Just awful imo

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

Going into the season Vic and Cody left, Cody was actually mocked as the #1 pick on some sites. Victor was a 2nd rounder, but was on many breakout list. Watford and Hulls were gone regardless. His excuses are weak.

What do programs like Duke, UK, Zona, MSU, U of L and plenty other schools do each year when they lose a couple of guys? It is hilarious that he continues to even use it. How haven't people caught on besides us of this one trick pony!!??

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[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Exactly. Ridiculous and it pisses me off that we are supposed to feel sorry for a man who was paid 3M/yr and feel ashamed for having expectations that the other big boys have. 

[Hoosier DaDa 3,395]

34 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The guy that spent the last 9 years making excuse after excuse for the failures in his program thinks he should've hired a firm to make excuses for him?  I guess it makes some sense since in his world it's never his fault.

Let's bury the "great, classy guy" bit.  He's even sinking that ship now.  He's a great salesman and that's it.

The best salesman ever bilked IU out of millions with a Shi**y product to boot.

[AZ Hoosier 9,095]

Don't knock FCTC... he did find a way back to the #FinalFour...

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/3/30/15125822/tom-crean-espn-final-four

[TheWatShot 14,801]

Years ago, probably on another IU board, I got blasted for saying Crean is insecure. This is what insecure people do. They constantly make excuses and they get other people to make their excuses for them.

 

A PR firm to promote a second rebuild...it's one thing to think about that, but actually say it? So glad this bozo got canned.

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

43 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Years ago, probably on another IU board, I got blasted for saying Crean is insecure. This is what insecure people do. They constantly make excuses and they get other people to make their excuses for them.

 

A PR firm to promote a second rebuild...it's one thing to think about that, but actually say it? So glad this bozo got canned.

Dude just needs to be quiet at this point lol

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

It comes down to this and it is very simple. If FCTC really thought IU was such a bad place, why in the world would he still insist on Riley becoming a Hoosier still?

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[bigrod 2,954]

Years ago, probably on another IU board, I got blasted for saying Crean is insecure. This is what insecure people do. They constantly make excuses and they get other people to make their excuses for them.
 
A PR firm to promote a second rebuild...it's one thing to think about that, but actually say it? So glad this bozo got canned.

He seemed to be way more interested in spinning that everything was great than actually making it great. He did a great job of playing the media, which is a big reason they supported him to the very end. It's amazing how many of those guys started saying what they really thought after he was fired.

His legacy is excuses. There's always a reason that he wasn't as good as he should have been. He was way more interested in winning the press conference than leading and teaching.


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[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

On the Seth Davis podcast, Crean said we lost some kids in Indiana, because money changed hands. Izzo and MSU are the ones that have been taking a lot of our in state guys. I hate to think Izzo has turned dirty, but it seems to make sense.

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[Hoosierfan2017 23,149]

39 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

On the Seth Davis podcast, Crean said we lost some kids in Indiana, because money changed hands. Izzo and MSU are the ones that have been taking a lot of our in state guys. I hate to think Izzo has turned dirty, but it seems to make sense.

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I think it's a lot more likely that Crean lost Indiana kids because they thought he was a weirdo than because Izzo started paying players. MSU was already doing so well, I don't think he would need to resort to that. 

[Stuhoo 85,025]

35 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

On the Seth Davis podcast, Crean said we lost some kids in Indiana, because money changed hands. Izzo and MSU are the ones that have been taking a lot of our in state guys. I hate to think Izzo has turned dirty, but it seems to make sense.

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FWIW...over the past few years Izzo has also cited losing players because he wouldn't pay when others would.

I imagine that Trey Lyles is in the front of FCTC's mind on this topic.

 

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

FWIW...over the past few years Izzo has also cited losing players because he wouldn't pay when others would.
I imagine that Trey Lyles is in the front of FCTC's mind on this topic.
 

Izzo made it a campaign for a few years. After his recruiting dipped for a bit until recently when he started landing top recruits again. It would be interesting to know all the details.

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Sounds like an excuse to me. One or two kids =/= losing the state Crean.

[JustWinWoody 3,392]

52 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

On the Seth Davis podcast, Crean said we lost some kids in Indiana, because money changed hands. Izzo and MSU are the ones that have been taking a lot of our in state guys. I hate to think Izzo has turned dirty, but it seems to make sense.

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Excuses, excuses, excuses!  Not sure how recent this podcast was but Crean needs to go ahead and ZIP IT!

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,725]

MSU makes deals.

Exhibit A: Brendan Dawson

IZZO operates in the gray. Fact


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[LamarCheeks 20,745]

I have to admit, while I thought it was time to make a change in the IU program, I always defended Crean. I thought the criticism of his coaching was fair game, but thought the constant harping on the pacing on the sidelines, the clapping, the gum-chewing, the Diet Coke obsession was -- I don't know -- a little childish. But I just listened to the Seth David podcast -- hadn't heard it before -- and I'm getting a little tired of the dude.

I have great respect for what he did in the first three seasons, considering what he was left with, and how he got things rolling after that. But he wanted a reset after Cody and Vic left? C'mon, that's crazy. First of all, as a coach who's been with these kids day in and day out, he should've seen that coming -- that there was the possibility they would leave. Second of all, if you wanna run a blue-blood program, you don't get resets. You keep the ball rolling. I don't think anybody expected to contend for an NCAA title the year after those two left, but you don't expect 17-15, seventh in the B1G and no postseason, either. 

And back to the Cody-Vic season. He said Hulls got hurt in the Temple game and was severely limited against Syracuse and that really hampered their chances. That's why you don't have just one pure shooter on your roster. He had another -- Matt Roth, who had another year of eligibility -- available, but cut him loose. We weren't gonna beat Syracuse anyway because that game was over before it even started -- Crean was scared to death of that zone. During that game, I kept thinking, "Boy, a guy like Matt Roth might be able to make a difference here." 

Oh, and if Seth Davis had any chops as an interviewer, he would've pressed Crean when he said there were some Indiana kids he didn't get because money changed hands. But he was more concerned with making it a love-fest. You've GOT to follow that up. ... I felt like Crean handled himself with class during the Dakich interview, but he sure sounded like a whiny fusspot when he spoke with Davis. 

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

Why would Seth Davis follow that up? Everyone and their brother knows lots of money changes hands but they don't want to open that can of worms.

We all know Crean isn't a great coach and didn't fit. The 9 years show that fact. However, if Crean had taken that '13 team farther in the tourney he would have been given a chance for a slight reset. There are plenty of coaches getting it done without buying players. He prefers to make excuses at every chance possible. It's annoying and further demonstrates why he is FCTC.

[AZ Hoosier 9,095]

16 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

 have great respect for what he did in the first three seasons, considering what he was left with, and how he got things rolling after that. But he wanted a reset after Cody and Vic left? C'mon, that's crazy. First of all, as a coach who's been with these kids day in and day out, he should've seen that coming -- that there was the possibility they would leave. Second of all, if you wanna run a blue-blood program, you don't get resets. You keep the ball rolling. I don't think anybody expected to contend for an NCAA title the year after those two left, but you don't expect 17-15, seventh in the B1G and no postseason, either.

I am amazed at how blind or ignorant Tom Crean is/was of the facts...

With all of the chatter about the coaching situation at IU, with all the speculation about the end of the Crean era, the refusal of Glass to extend Crean... the rumors about the imminent coaching change... and Crean honestly had no idea that the end was near?

Now this comment about being with Cody/Vic every day and having no clue that they were leaving, or having no contingency in place in the event they did... and a similar situation with Noah Vonleh...

Add to that the absolute CF that The Movement was (save Yogi)...

You have to wonder about Crean's ability to read the situation... perhaps that was also a factor in his inability to make in-game changes and adapt to the game as it unfolds.

 

[LamarCheeks 20,745]

12 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Why would Seth Davis follow that up? Everyone and their brother knows lots of money changes hands but they don't want to open that can of worms.

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You follow it up because you're supposed to be a journalist. I'm guessing that right after Crean said that, plenty of legitimate interviewers would've said: "Whoa. Let's back up a minute here. You're claiming you lost Indiana players because money changed hands. Let's have some examples ..." I'm sure Crean would have balked, but that question definitely needed to be asked.