TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierAloha]

I am shaking my head, STILL, on what the hell is happening to this team.

Last season we won the B1G.  Two things here:  1.  We had a different team makeup   2.  We had an easy as pie B1G Schedule (and don't argue that).

-we had an ouch in Maui last year with WF and UNLV.  We got destroyed on the road at Duke.  Typically these suck but was a trend with most Crean teams in the past.  

-Our B1G schedule last year had us playing Purdue, Maryland, and Mich. St. only once with one on the road.

-Looking at stat leaders for points, rebounds, and assists:  It was consistently Yogi, Troy, and Max.  Bryant only a handful of times and OG only once.

On paper, we should be a top ten team this year.  Somehow we beat Kansas and UNC.  I was beaming going into the season after that.  Butler I can understand losing, but that's where it really falls off.

Yogi, was the one that made Crean look good last year.  Hell, Yogi made everyone look good last year.  Even though the offense was badly constructed, it worked for Yogi.  You had to collapse on him or he would score on you.  Nobody can do that this year which make this offense terrible.  Nobody can go one-on-one like the players we lost.  Crean hasn't changed anything to adapt to this team's style.  It's not that we don't have scorers, we don't have anyone that can go one-on-one.

Bottom line:  It's all on Crean.  If you can't get the team to fit your plan, fit your plan for the team.  Dribble drive does not work with this team.

The mark of a good coach: changing your system to put the players in the best situation to succeed. We flat out don't have that with Crean. It's his way or 15 or fewer wins.

Your big chucking up threes while having three previous good games while being in the lane doesn't work.

Pulling your big that is dominating the paint doesn't work.

Giving the ball to an okay ball handler and telling him to drive doesn't work.

Giving the green light to everyone that gets on the floor doesn't work.

Allowing your "immature and lacking leadership" upperclassmen to continue to get the most minutes doesn't work.

You and your system at Indiana doesn't work.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

IF Crean is bought out, and that's a big IF, I would be really interested to see the level of coach who shows interest in IU. This isn't the early 90's anymore. There is that blueblood allure, but is Indiana still considered an "A" level/5 star job? I would say forget Stevens and Donovan, but would guys like Bennett or Jay Wright even be interested? They are with programs who have been in the mix over the last couple seasons. I just don't know how viable Indiana is as a destination anymore. It's painful to see how far we have fallen.   

[HoosierCoop]

IF Crean is bought out, and that's a big IF, I would be really interested to see the level of coach who shows interest in IU. This isn't the early 90's anymore. There is that blueblood allure, but is Indiana still considered an "A" level/5 star job? I would say forget Stevens and Donovan, but would guys like Bennett or Jay Wright even be interested? They are with programs who have been in the mix over the last couple seasons. I just don't know how viable Indiana is as a destination anymore. It's painful to see how far we have fallen.   

I see us at a B+. We have the history, the facilities, the recruiting market, and the fan base. Unfortunately, we don't have a coach that utilizes the tools. Understanding and utilizing are two different concepts.

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[BtownBanner6]

I see us at a B+. We have the history, the facilities, the recruiting market, and the fan base. Unfortunately, we don't have a coach that utilizes the tools. Understanding and utilizing are two different concepts.

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So the only knock you have on us is the coach and that means b+, why would another coach care what Crean did here. I agree we have all of what you said I just think that makes this an A type
destination. We have all the tools just need the right Coach at the wheel.

[Uspshoosier]

IF Crean is bought out, and that's a big IF, I would be really interested to see the level of coach who shows interest in IU. This isn't the early 90's anymore. There is that blueblood allure, but is Indiana still considered an "A" level/5 star job? I would say forget Stevens and Donovan, but would guys like Bennett or Jay Wright even be interested? They are with programs who have been in the mix over the last couple seasons. I just don't know how viable Indiana is as a destination anymore. It's painful to see how far we have fallen.   

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-most-valuable-college-basketball-teams-in-2016.html/?a=viewall


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[BlueDevil]

I see us at a B+. We have the history, the facilities, the recruiting market, and the fan base. Unfortunately, we don't have a coach that utilizes the tools. Understanding and utilizing are two different concepts.

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I think you guys are still selling it waaaay short and that's coming from a fan of another program. IU is an A to A+ destination and should be the number 1 job available. A storied program in a recruiting hot bed in one of the best conferences in America with great facilities and resources.

Don't care to hear about the drought... everything a new coach needs is already in Bloomington. You are talking about one of the top 5-6 programs in CBB history no way is it a B+ job.


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[Trish]

Fan base - A

Facilities - A+

Name - A- 

Recruiting region - A 

 

We're like my Lakers however, our name has taken a hit due to recent struggles. 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

You all bring up very valid points.. I guess I need to stop thinking in terms of where this program is today and look at the bigger picture. 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

14 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-most-valuable-college-basketball-teams-in-2016.html/?a=viewall


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Interesting article.. Never would have thought Louisville would be #1 on that list. Although I'm guessing these numbers are based on net income for the year in question. 

[Scooter D]

Having lived in Philly years back, IU has no shot at getting Jay Wright.  He landed his dream job, he is a Philly guy and people from Philly do not leave Philly...just the way that it is.  There is a better shot of Santa Claus landing on my house tonight than Jay Wright accepting the IU HC job.

[Trish]

We have The Barn tomorrow? Oh boy! We're due for a Crean win.. but the way we've been playing.. I don't even think 13 3's would win this. A blow out loss tomorrow would be the icing on the cake. 

 

Actually the last home game vs Northwestern with that Indiana kid dropping 40 plus on us in a blowout would be the icing on the cake to the Crean legacy here at IU. 

[coonhounds]

What about a blow out loss at wackey? We dont play well at iowa either. What about a first round loss in big tourney to penn st. Lots of icing could still be put on the crean cake

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

What about a blow out loss at wackey? We dont play well at iowa either. What about a first round loss in big tourney to penn st. Lots of icing could still be put on the crean cake

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I think we win at Iowa. We win tomorrow too IMO. We just matchup really well against these teams. Now the rest of the games are probably Ls maybe a surprise win and maybe a loss or both to Iowa and Minny. The barn is a tough place to play. I think we lose first round of BTT regardless. The no tour ey talks will be very strong and we all know how "immature" this team is so they will probably shut it down at that point.

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[reconmkd]

1 hour ago, HoosierCoop said:

I am shaking my head, STILL, on what the hell is happening to this team.

Last season we won the B1G.  Two things here:  1.  We had a different team makeup   2.  We had an easy as pie B1G Schedule (and don't argue that).

-we had an ouch in Maui last year with WF and UNLV.  We got destroyed on the road at Duke.  Typically these suck but was a trend with most Crean teams in the past.  

-Our B1G schedule last year had us playing Purdue, Maryland, and Mich. St. only once with one on the road.

-Looking at stat leaders for points, rebounds, and assists:  It was consistently Yogi, Troy, and Max.  Bryant only a handful of times and OG only once.

On paper, we should be a top ten team this year.  Somehow we beat Kansas and UNC.  I was beaming going into the season after that.  Butler I can understand losing, but that's where it really falls off.

Yogi, was the one that made Crean look good last year.  Hell, Yogi made everyone look good last year.  Even though the offense was badly constructed, it worked for Yogi.  You had to collapse on him or he would score on you.  Nobody can do that this year which make this offense terrible.  Nobody can go one-on-one like the players we lost.  Crean hasn't changed anything to adapt to this team's style.  It's not that we don't have scorers, we don't have anyone that can go one-on-one.

Bottom line:  It's all on Crean.  If you can't get the team to fit your plan, fit your plan for the team.  Dribble drive does not work with this team.

Team: But its a round hole and we are a square!, Crean: Its ok, here's a sledge hammer, now get in the d**n hole!

[AZ Hoosier]

2 hours ago, Treesh said:

This Chris guy has an impressive record so far.. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Beard_(basketball)

I absolutely guarantee that Beard will never coach in Bloomington. No way. No how. RMK, with all of his bitterness (speaking of immaturity), will never allow that... and I have no doubt that he's already poisoned that well beyond recoverability.

[HoosierTrav]

Hot damn I like it, but can't imagine ever seeing a college coach bring that home.

After all is said and done Coach K makes that. $9.6 Milli + Nike Money

[BtownBanner6]

After all is said and done Coach K makes that. $9.6 Milli + Nike Money

I wasn't thinking any endorsements.

[HoosierTrav]

I can feel it... can you?



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We have to be in agreement hat Lahey is clearly the best character, no?

[HoosierTrav]

Can Crean go to NC State?

Imagine Crean having to coach against the coaches in the ACC!!! Omgoodness.

[SlamaJamaSisley]

2 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

Imagine Crean having to coach against the coaches in the ACC!!! Omgoodness.

 

He already beat one of them this year!  :)