TOM CREAN FIRED

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Dont think Coach should be fired. It  is easy to see that the talent from a year ago is not there. He has alot of young players & does not have the scoring power they had last year. It will take a year or 2 to get this team where it should be. Should be alot of improvement by the end of the Conference season.

[JSHoosier 20,649]

Dont think Coach should be fired. It  is easy to see that the talent from a year ago is not there. He has alot of young players & does not have the scoring power they had last year. It will take a year or 2 to get this team where it should be. Should be alot of improvement by the end of the Conference season.

We should be seeing signs of improvement by now, but we're not.  Yeah, we should expect the team to be better by the end of conference but I'm not convinced since we're not even seeing signs of improvement.  It's just the same thing as it was day one, a team that is out of control and sloppy.

[TheWatShot 14,362]

What I want to know is what happened after November. We were fortunate to beat LIU-Brooklyn and I had us pegged as an NIT team after that game. I was afraid we'd get embarrassed in New York, but we ran Washington (who went toe to toe with #1 Arizona on the road today) out of the gym and took UConn down to the final possession. We were noticeably better in New York than we were the first week of the season. It seems like ever since we went turtle-mode against Syracuse in the second half we changed for the worse. 

[All_Hoosiers 873]

I think we need to accept the fact that this team is full of athletes, not talent, and just isn't very good. That's Crean's fault on top of poor in-game coaching. I don't think Crean needs to be fired, and who can IU get that's better? Don't give me Stevens. I doubt he'd give up on the NBA so soon, plus I'd take Boston Celtics job over Indiana.

 

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Crean's buyout drops to one million next season.

[LIHoosier 26,713]

 

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Crean's buyout drops to one million next season.

 

From a Fox Sports article when Glass announced Crean's contract extension last year.

 

"Crean's base salary will go from approximately $2.52 million per year to $3.16 million. The deal also includes performance bonuses based on Academic Progress Rate scores, Graduation Success Rate scores and the team's GPA. If all standards are met, Crean's salary could increase by as much as $55,000 per year.

 

The buyout, Glass said, would cost $8 million over the next three years, then drops to $1 million in Year 4 and drops again to $500,000 over the final four years of the deal. School officials said additional contract details will be announce when the deal is formally signed."

[indianato 157]

[quote name="HoosierReb01" post="27789" timestamp="1388872235"]For me its not just this year, in fact as young as this team is, I really wasn't expecting much and am not that disappointed. Here are my reasons for thinking he is not the long term coaching solution at IU:

1. A lack of structure in the offense, which kills the half court offense.
2. Too dependent on athletes, not enough basketball IQ.
3. Inability to utilize talented bigs as anything more than cleanup crew in the paint.
4. Some of the most perplexing substitution patterns I have ever seen.
5. A unwillingness to exercise a little "pine time".
6. Too much Clappy, not enough ripping some ass.
7. Players just don't seem to learn some basic things (shot fake, entry pass).
8. Wisconsin. Whether you like Bo Ryans style or it puts you to sleep, he's a helluva coach. And the better coach has won every matchup.

I am not on the "Fire Crean Train" at this point. And I think this team will be a lot of fun to watch the next year or two, but I really doubt that banner #6 ever comes under CTC.[/quote]


Inability to use talented bigs? I guess that all Watford and zeller did last year was clean up slop in the paint. You should quit posting for that point alone.


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[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Inability to use talented bigs? I guess that all Watford and zeller did last year was clean up slop in the paint. You should quit posting for that point alone.


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Actually as far as Zeller goes that's pretty much what it was, or he was playing the 4 and doing it on a drive. The lack of ability to make the entry pass to a player who is playing with his back to the basket is a earmark of this system. One of the accolades that CTC gets is for developing guards, and deservedly so. But from clear back in his days at Marquette there has been a knock on him for his inability to develop big men, and deservedly so there also. We do not take advantage of talented bigs.

 

Agree with that or not, I'll post the points that I feel are valid, and you do the same. No need to suggest that those you disagree with should just shut up. This forum is about discussion and as long as its civil it will continue.

[Naturalhoosier 15,439]

 

5)  Our most experienced guy is Will Sheehey and I like the guy but...he is so inconsistent.  He has never made the same jumps as Victor.  He has worked hard and been scrappy and had some moments but end of the day, he still makes me feel like I'm watching a role player, a 6th man who happens to start games. 

 

 

 

I said something of this sort before the season started and it raised some eyebrows...i hate to say I told you so.  But you are right Bronk.  I love will's passion but he's more inconsistent than Watford was.  He will make a really good coach one day.  I think he has the basketball IQ just not the talent.  He gets through with his grit and vigor.

 

Great to see you in these parts brother.  Keep them coming.

[Buck Naked 451]

[quote name="BlueDevil2aHoosier" post="27924" timestamp="1388889249"]Not a crean fan lost respect for him when he went off on Meyer last year


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You kidding man? That was the highlight of the year for me. IU was dirt and he was part of the reason it was. Then to go into his home gym and win the first out right B1G championship in his face was awesome. He then ( reportedly) smarts off in the handshake line and Coach tells him what every IU fan wanted to say to everyone involved in that mess.

Immature, yup. Should Coach let it go? Absolutely. But it was still pretty cool to me.


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[JSHoosier 20,649]

Inability to use talented bigs? I guess that all Watford and zeller did last year was clean up slop in the paint. You should quit posting for that point alone.


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We didn't use Zeller as much as we should have a lot of his points came from cleaning up slop and out running everyone in transition, and we mainly used Watford as a wing moreso than a big.

[Ryno6284 2,887]

Two things:

 

I don't want him fired, YET.  Could he respectively step down? jk

 

I'm afraid if NV leaves after this year, we will hear the same, give him a pass this year, how was he supposed to know he would leave, crap.  I don't want anymore excuses!  I want results, consistently! 

 

Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result?

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Two things:

 

I don't want him fired, YET.  Could he respectively step down? jk

 

I'm afraid if NV leaves after this year, we will hear the same, give him a pass this year, how was he supposed to know he would leave, crap.  I don't want anymore excuses!  I want results, consistently! 

 

Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result?

 

 

Yeah, after 4 pages of this, what I get is that Btown Banners has its doubters, but nobody wants to see him gone at this point, unless I missed a post somewhere. So I guess the answer to the OP is, nobody here. Not sure it matters, I don't think he goes anywhere for 3-4 years, regardless.

[Naturalhoosier 15,439]

Conversationally, I think it's worth posting the business viewpoint.

 

IU was a business that was down and out.  In the toilet, in the gutter, whatever it may be.  Tom Crean was called upon to right the ship, turn the boat around, (insert your cliche).  He has done that.  As the CEO the past 5-6 years, he has brought the program back to relevance. 

 

Now we are in a new cycle in this business life (which Tom Crean receives total credit for bringing us to).  Is he the CEO that we want moving forward?  Is someone else?  That's for Fred Glass and the 'Board of Directors' to decide. 

 

Personally, I'm in the boat of giving him a little more time.  Two years (next year and the year following).  To show me that he can bring us over the hump.  If he can't prove it by that time, it'll be 8 yrs in and I'd be willing to move on.

 

Just my $0.02.

[RoadToZion 373]

Will all you sally's still be pouting when Noah comes back and we'll be a top 10-15 team again next year?

[Frodaddy10 83]

I would love to see Crean prove me wrong. Seems to be a good dude and hard worker, also I appreciate what he has been able to accomplish. Maybe I'm a little impatient because I live so close to the Dumbass Nation that is Kensucky!


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[JSHoosier 20,649]

Will all you sally's still be pouting when Noah comes back and we'll be a top 10-15 team again next year?

No one is pouting.  We're just saying that Crean isn't doing a good job this year, and really he's not.  This team isn't well coached, and it's painfully obvious during the games.  Just because certain posters on another board want to shout "Sweet 16" from the mountain tops and want people to believe that Crean is totally incapable of drawing up anything than a flawless gameplan doesn't mean it's not true.  We are undisciplined, sloppy, and at times flat out lazy those are not signs of a well coached team.  Those things cost us the game at Illinois and close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades, those things are the reason we are 0-2 in conference right now instead of 1-1, those things are the reason we don't have a single good win on the year, those things are the reason we're projected to be two wins short of NIT eligibility when BTT begins.

 

We're beyond the point of saying "rebuild" and a down year should never be this pathetic.  This team has problems, and youth is only part of it.  We're saying Crean needs to step it up.  That's not pouting, that's making an observation.

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[quote name="RoadToZion" post="28312" timestamp="1389030337"]Will all you sally's still be pouting when Noah comes back and we'll be a top 10-15 team again next year?[/quote]

Sure. Where will you be if Noah does not come back? Seems that the only way we are a top 10-15 team is if he is back. He is projected to be a lottery pick now so I would venture to say there is a very good chance he will not be back.

You can point to Cody coming back as an example sure but the team Cody came back to was one that was on the upswing. If Noah does not come back will you become a "Sally" too?


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[RoadToZion 373]

Sure. Where will you be if Noah does not come back? Seems that the only way we are a top 10-15 team is if he is back. He is projected to be a lottery pick now so I would venture to say there is a very good chance he will not be back.

You can point to Cody coming back as an example sure but the team Cody came back to was one that was on the upswing. If Noah does not come back will you become a "Sally" too?


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Because I know he's coming back. Fact. 

[RoadToZion 373]

 

No one is pouting.  We're just saying that Crean isn't doing a good job this year, and really he's not.  This team isn't well coached, and it's painfully obvious during the games.  Just because certain posters on another board want to shout "Sweet 16" from the mountain tops and want people to believe that Crean is totally incapable of drawing up anything than a flawless gameplan doesn't mean it's not true.  We are undisciplined, sloppy, and at times flat out lazy those are not signs of a well coached team.  Those things cost us the game at Illinois and close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades, those things are the reason we are 0-2 in conference right now instead of 1-1, those things are the reason we don't have a single good win on the year, those things are the reason we're projected to be two wins short of NIT eligibility when BTT begins.

 

We're beyond the point of saying "rebuild" and a down year should never be this pathetic.  This team has problems, and youth is only part of it.  We're saying Crean needs to step it up.  That's not pouting, that's making an observation.

Its called being realistic. Did you really think we would be a top 25 team after losing 4 starters? I sure as hell didn't. We've played in 2 Big Ten games this year and you all think the sky is falling. If we beat Notre Dame and Illinois half of all the posts on this board would be different.

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[quote name="RoadToZion" post="28321" timestamp="1389036890"]Because I know he's coming back. Fact. [/quote]

I guess I find it hard to believe it can be a fact at this point. Sounds like you know Noah or someone close to him. A question for you then, if Noah is projected as the 8th pick now and you know he is back as an absolute fact, is there a point or position in the draft where that changes? If he somehow moved up to 4 is he still a lock to come back?

Conversely since you have an inside connection, if we do. It being in any other bigs for next year could this cause Noah to reconsider staying? CTC promised Cody he would bring in a center but none of the centers could play GMM and Jurkin. I wonder if Noah sees himself as a 5 in the NBA or as a 4. If it is as a 4 I would think he would want some court time as a 4.


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