TOM CREAN FIRED

[Dalton26 16,892]

No because of Floida taxes somebody making less than the max on the Heat can actually make more money than somebody with the same years playing for the Pacers or Celtics after taxes.

Taxes or no taxes if you make less money than you could have its still a paycut.

[Feathery 4,005]

I worry about this. Clearly you're right, IU isn't in a place where they can wait on a coach to develop. They need to go A+ or risk losing a portion of the fanbase.

Yep. I do think there are a few home runs out there. IU just ha to be willing to pay for it. I like playing devils advocate with guys about Stevens and Celtics. As log as IU tries with Stevens and goes public that we wants to stay with the Celtics, then I'm ok going to the next guy. I think the fanbase would give the next coach a fair shot under those circumstances.

I think Sean Miller is better than Archie and has proven it. I think Gregg Marshall is better than Archie and has proven it. Both have had tremendous success and make in the low $3 millions a year. Give either $5 mil + and you have a great coach at a great program. FYI, Marshalls buyout is only $500,000.

The absolute worst thing would be to hang on to Crean out of fear.

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

Taxes or no taxes if you make less money than you could have its still a paycut.

They pocketed more money. How can that be a paycut?

[Andrew_114 105]

They pocketed more money. How can that be a paycut?

Because they could have played for the Heat and made several more million? How is that not a pay cut? Not to mention he doesn't pay income tax on games only in Florida (and other no income tax states). He files tax returns for each state he plays in, that's how income works with the NBA. Also Florida is making money elsewhere with higher taxes for example property tax which LBJ is probably paying a hefty tax for

[KingPG21 6,583]

Yep. I do think there are a few home runs out there. IU just ha to be willing to pay for it. I like playing devils advocate with guys about Stevens and Celtics. As log as IU tries with Stevens and goes public that we wants to stay with the Celtics, then I'm ok going to the next guy. I think the fanbase would give the next coach a fair shot under those circumstances.

I think Sean Miller is better than Archie and has proven it. I think Gregg Marshall is better than Archie and has proven it. Both have had tremendous success and make in the low $3 millions a year. Give either $5 mil + and you have a great coach at a great program. FYI, Marshalls buyout is only $500,000.

The absolute worst thing would be to hang on to Crean out of fear.

Eh, Marshall just seems like another Crean type hire for me. Don't know why exactly but I'd be more excited to hire Archie than Marshall. Archie feels like a swing for the fences, Marshall feels like being okay with a ground rule double. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Eh, Marshall just seems like another Crean type hire for me. Don't know why exactly but I'd be more excited to hire Archie than Marshall. Archie feels like a swing for the fences, Marshall feels like being okay with a ground rule double.

I get the same weird vibes from Marshall that everyone gets from Crean.

[Old Friend 8,389]

Marshall is not a home run hire.  Marshall is basically a system coach who had superior talent for a while and made a name for himself.   Which sounds awfully familiar.  They're 4-4 this season in case anybody's looking, and their current RPI is 81. (They did beat UNLV, though....hhmmmmmm)    I'm not sure how I feel about Archie Miller.  Maybe.

 

The bottom line is simply that the solution is a one man list.  Talking about anyone else is a "settle" unless he says there's no way he's coming any time soon.  If Brad Stevens says he's not coming, we do significant diligence to find the next great coach, and it's not going to be somebody obvious.  Crean was a name who'd had some success and was in a smaller conference at a smaller school, so psychology says a move up for him is a good hire and a win for everybody.   We're finding that to be false, so that tells me our next hire is not going to be and should not be what amounts to a repeat of the last one.

If Stevens says no...not coming.  The next few names I'd like to see (and I haven't done enough homework on any of them, but like the idea of :

 

Sean Miller (I guess he'd be my "obvious" pick if not Stevens)

Archie Miller (maybe)

Bryce Drew - Indiana kid, son of a really good coach, and a great personality.  Has won his conference 3 of 4 seasons, and won 75% of conference games

Chris Mack - think he's an up and comer.  Just my opinion, but he's recruited well locally

If we need a bridge to Stevens?  Bob McKillop.

 

All I want for Christmas is.......

[Feathery 4,005]

Marshall is not a home run hire. Marshall is basically a system coach who had superior talent for a while and made a name for himself. Which sounds awfully familiar. They're 4-4 this season in case anybody's looking, and their current RPI is 81. (They did beat UNLV, though....hhmmmmmm) I'm not sure how I feel about Archie Miller. Maybe.

The bottom line is simply that the solution is a one man list. Talking about anyone else is a "settle" unless he says there's no way he's coming any time soon. If Brad Stevens says he's not coming, we do significant diligence to find the next great coach, and it's not going to be somebody obvious. Crean was a name who'd had some success and was in a smaller conference at a smaller school, so psychology says a move up for him is a good hire and a win for everybody. We're finding that to be false, so that tells me our next hire is not going to be and should not be what amounts to a repeat of the last one.
If Stevens says no...not coming. The next few names I'd like to see (and I haven't done enough homework on any of them, but like the idea of :

Sean Miller (I guess he'd be my "obvious" pick if not Stevens)
Archie Miller (maybe)
Bryce Drew - Indiana kid, son of a really good coach, and a great personality. Has won his conference 3 of 4 seasons, and won 75% of conference games
Chris Mack - think he's an up and comer. Just my opinion, but he's recruited well locally
If we need a bridge to Stevens? Bob McKillop.

All I want for Christmas is.......

I agree with everything you said but the part about Marshall. You haven't paid attention to his career if you think he is a system coach. The guy has 17 championships (conference and conference tournaments) in 17 seasons. He also has a win % at .729%. Saying he is a system coach is a disservice to his ability. At a mid major level he has done what Archie Miller and Mack could only dream about doing. He has also gone deeper in the NCAA tournament than both. IU would be lucky to have such a quality head coach.

As for his record this year, his star PG is injured.

I've seen Macks name thrown around lately. I thought everyone hated Mack bc he has been a constant negative recruiter against IU? I wouldn't mind him, just surprised to see ppl throw his name out there.

Bruce Drew is a name I hadn't thought about. It's an intriguing possibility and I'd be supportive of that move. But will he leave his alma mater and the school where his dad is a legend?

To be honest, I think most all the guys that have been discussed are upgrades to Crean.

[Dalton26 16,892]

They pocketed more money. How can that be a paycut?

Because they didn't pocket more money. They took less than what they were able to. I don't understand how you're arguing against that.

[Old Friend 8,389]

I agree with everything you said but the part about Marshall. You haven't paid attention to his career if you think he is a system coach. The guy has 17 championships (conference and conference tournaments) in 17 seasons. He also has a win % at .729%. Saying he is a system coach is a disservice to his ability. At a mid major level he has done what Archie Miller and Mack could only dream about doing. He has also gone deeper in the NCAA tournament than both. IU would be lucky to have such a quality head coach.

As for his record this year, his star PG is injured.

I've seen Macks name thrown around lately. I thought everyone hated Mack bc he has been a constant negative recruiter against IU? I wouldn't mind him, just surprised to see ppl throw his name out there.

Bruce Drew is a name I hadn't thought about. It's an intriguing possibility and I'd be supportive of that move. But will he leave his alma mater and the school where his dad is a legend?

To be honest, I think most all the guys that have been discussed are upgrades to Crean.

Disagree.  Marshall has run a 2-2-1 press that he calls "pulley" for most of his career.  It's tough to play against unless you have elite athletes and ball handlers....which he'd see every day in the Big Ten.   He'd still beat Alcorn State, though.  He's also run it back to a match up zone most of the time.  That's a little gimmicky for me.  Dis-service or not, he's a system guy.  To me, he'd be only marginally better than Shaka Smart as a hire.  He did just fine at Winthrop, and when he had great talent (which he gets all the credit in the world for recruiting to Wichita State), he's done just fine in the Valley; but that's where he belongs.  He's 52 years old, and he's never even been at an assistant at a large school.   He just strikes me as a very good mid-major coach.   Not a guy I think will have a long, successful career in the Big Ten.

[Parakeet Jones 3,741]

 If Brad Stevens says he's not coming, we do significant diligence to find the next great coach, and it's not going to be somebody obvious.  

This is such a great statement.  It's one of the reasons I took my time in jumping on the "time to move on" train.  The next hire has to be the right hire, not necessarily the sexy hire.  I want to win games not just a press conference.  I think the easiest thing in the world to do is to fire a coach.  It is much much more difficult to hire the right one.  Anyone can hire the flavor of the month.  I want the flavor of the next 25+ years.

 

I remember right before Crean was hired that a rumor was swirling that an IU plane was on the way to Las Vegas to pick up Lon Kruger.  There was a collective groan among Hoosier fans, partly because he wasn't a "name" hire.  Look at what the guy has done/is doing at Oklahoma though.  We'd kill for that right now.  

 

I know this point gets beaten to death, but no one knew who Bob Knight was before he came to Bloomington.  We need to do the significant diligence you mention to make sure we find the right guy whether any of us are familiar with him or even initially happy with him or not.  

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

Because they could have played for the Heat and made several more million? How is that not a pay cut? Not to mention he doesn't pay income tax on games only in Florida (and other no income tax states). He files tax returns for each state he plays in, that's how income works with the NBA. Also Florida is making money elsewhere with higher taxes for example property tax which LBJ is probably paying a hefty tax for

Except the Heat couldn't do that and sign all 3 iirc.

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

Because they didn't pocket more money. They took less than what they were able to. I don't understand how you're arguing against that.

That's not what happened though

[Dalton26 16,892]

Except the Heat couldn't do that and sign all 3 iirc.

That's not what happened though

It doesn't matter if they could've sign all 3 or not that is completely irrelevant. All 3 players took less than a Max contract to play together, therefore they all took a PAY CUT. There's no other explanation for what they did.

[pappy1865 2,191]

Dumb question but what are your guys opinions on Alford? Maybe? No?

[mdn82 25,510]

Dumb question but what are your guys opinions on Alford? Maybe? No?

No

[HoosierTrav 7,737]

Dumb question but what are your guys opinions on Alford? Maybe? No?

No thanks!

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

Dumb question but what are your guys opinions on Alford? Maybe? No?

Not as our coach, please.

[Bowhunter 2,693]

Lon Kruger can coach !

[mdn82 25,510]

Lon Kruger can coach !

Not really in the B1G