College Football Thread

[NashvilleHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

SMU setting its case for staying in over Bama on fire. 

And simultaneously making all of the conversation tomorrow about all the 3 loss SEC teams vs. SMU instead of all the 3 loss SEC teams vs. IU. 

[Hovadipo]

1 minute ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

And simultaneously making all of the conversation tomorrow about all the 3 loss SEC teams vs. SMU instead of all the 3 loss SEC teams vs. IU. 

I wasn’t too worried about that, but any insurance is nice. Especially after Cig took a big fat dump on the committee on national TV today. 

[RoadRage]

DEFENSE!

[Brass Cannon]

Gotta think SMU is out 

[RaceToTheTop]

57 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I don’t see any reason the losers today will stay ahead of Notre dame 

Because of what the committee has said in terms of handling winners/losers of conference championship games -- basically not penalizing a team for reaching their championship game.  I'm not arguing for that thinking or against it, just going by what the committee has said.  I think outside of a team getting trounced, the amount of movement you see isn't going to be major.  I don't see Texas falling below the 5 seed unless Oregon loses, in which case Oregon is the 5 and Texas is the 6.  The truth is I could see a scenario where Notre Dame actually goes to the 7 if Penn State wins of hangs really close with Oregon.

Given the Georgia win, I don't see Notre Dame being any better than the 6 seed.

The one item yet to be seen is how the committee is going to handle SMU if they continue to lay an egg to Clemson in the second half.  If they are true to their word, Alabama is out.  If not, Alabama is in.

[Magnanimous]

4 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Because of what the committee has said in terms of handling winners/losers of conference championship games -- basically not penalizing a team for reaching their championship game.  I'm not arguing for that thinking or against it, just going by what the committee has said.  I think outside of a team getting trounced, the amount of movement you see isn't going to be major.  I don't see Texas falling below the 5 seed unless Oregon loses, in which case Oregon is the 5 and Texas is the 6.  The truth is I could see a scenario where Notre Dame actually goes to the 7 if Penn State wins of hangs really close with Oregon.

Given the Georgia win, I don't see Notre Dame being any better than the 6 seed.

The one item yet to be seen is how the committee is going to handle SMU if they continue to lay an egg to Clemson in the second half.  If they are true to their word, Alabama is out.  If not, Alabama is in.

I think that whole thing about not penalizing a team needs to be confined to each respective conference. For example (taking Alabama out of the equation) Miami shouldn’t get in over SMU because SMU lost an extra game. 

But these games also have to mean something and should still serve as a data point for seeding and evaluating bubble teams.

[Brass Cannon]

13 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Because of what the committee has said in terms of handling winners/losers of conference championship games -- basically not penalizing a team for reaching their championship game.  I'm not arguing for that thinking or against it, just going by what the committee has said.  I think outside of a team getting trounced, the amount of movement you see isn't going to be major.  I don't see Texas falling below the 5 seed unless Oregon loses, in which case Oregon is the 5 and Texas is the 6.  The truth is I could see a scenario where Notre Dame actually goes to the 7 if Penn State wins of hangs really close with Oregon.

Given the Georgia win, I don't see Notre Dame being any better than the 6 seed.

The one item yet to be seen is how the committee is going to handle SMU if they continue to lay an egg to Clemson in the second half.  If they are true to their word, Alabama is out.  If not, Alabama is in.

That would mean putting Penn State in over Ohio State. Just don’t see them doing that.  And a competitive game is one thing but showing you aren’t in the same league has to be factored in 

[RoadRage]

ACC will be livid if this loss cost SMU a berth to Alabama!

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

That would mean putting Penn State in over Ohio State. Just don’t see them doing that.  And a competitive game is one thing but showing you aren’t in the same league has to be factored in 

Penn State and Ohio State both with two losses, but Penn State played an extra game (which was the conference title game) AND finished ahead of Ohio State in the conference.

And what I am mostly going by is what the words of the committee.  I'd put solid money on Penn State being seeded above Ohio State even with a loss to Oregon.

[Hoosierfan1901]

SMU within 10

[RaceToTheTop]

29 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

I think that whole thing about not penalizing a team needs to be confined to each respective conference. For example (taking Alabama out of the equation) Miami shouldn’t get in over SMU because SMU lost an extra game. 

But these games also have to mean something and should still serve as a data point for seeding and evaluating bubble teams.

I'm not saying I disagree.  But let's also face the fact that if SMU loses to Clemson that they would have been better off losing a tiebreaker for the conference championship (Miami, Clemson, and SMU all had one conference loss) because they would have been safely in while Alabama would have benefited by not being in the SEC championship game because a loss there would have knocked them out.

EDIT:  That said, I could end up wrong.  But I'm just trying to go by what the committee has been saying......which could all be smoke.  My feeling is that if you play a conference championship game, it should count.  By the same token, if IU had the tiebreaker over Penn State and played in the Big Ten championship and lost to Oregon and were then removed from the playoff picture because of some idle team that wasn't in their conference championship, I think that there is a serious issue with that as well.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

17 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

That would mean putting Penn State in over Ohio State. Just don’t see them doing that. 

How much money would you bet on Ohio State being seeded better than Penn State should Oregon win the title game?  Because I think that would be throwing money away -- again, not based on what I personally feel but rather on what the CFP committee has been indicating.

[NashvilleHoosier]

5 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Penn State and Ohio State both with two losses, but Penn State played an extra game (which was the conference title game) AND finished ahead of Ohio State in the conference.

And what I am mostly going by is what the words of the committee.  I'd put solid money on Penn State being seeded above Ohio State even with a loss to Oregon.

Ehh…I think this leaves too much important context out. One common loss would be to Oregon w/ OSU losing by 1 on the road and PSU losing by (probably more than 1) neutral site, and of course the OSU win at PSU. Not much logic in putting PSU ahead of OSU.

[Hovadipo]

 

[Dave from Dayton]

Penn State just cannot stop Oregon's offense.  Period.

[Hoosierfan1901]

Just now, Dave from Dayton said:

Penn State just cannot stop Oregon's offense.  Period.

How Idaho held this team to 24 points surprises me, maybe it was because of the 1st game

[RaceToTheTop]

4 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Ehh…I think this leaves too much important context out. One common loss would be to Oregon w/ OSU losing by 1 on the road and PSU losing by (probably more than 1) neutral site, and of course the OSU win at PSU. Not much logic in putting PSU ahead of OSU.

The worst loss that either Penn State or Ohio State would be Ohio State's home loss to a 6-5 Michigan team.  That has context as well.

So I wouldn't say that the context is that simple.  At some point who you lost to is in the conversation as well.  Alabama lost to two teams in the SEC (one by 21 points) who are only bowl eligible because they beat Alabama.

[Hoosierfan1901]

All signs point to Barry Odom as Purdue’s next HC

[RoadRage]

If IU does have to go to Penn State, IU proved they can play in cold weather and snow in the Purdue game. Rourke, being a Canadian, should be used to cold weather!

[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

How much money would you bet on Ohio State being seeded better than Penn State should Oregon win the title game?  Because I think that would be throwing money away -- again, not based on what I personally feel but rather on what the CFP committee has been indicating.

A decent amount since like a month ago OSU went to Penn State and won.  And Penn State has 0 quality wins