Thoughts on WSU Coach Gregg Marshall

[BlueDevil 8,784]

I can't handle another coach that gets so many jokes about his appearance.

Could pass as brothers

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

I agree with you for the most part, I just don't believe wait and see is an option

Fair enough. I just don't want to leap back into another 7 year High major audition.

 

Sure, chances are high any coach of merit would have a great season next year, if we land a big but prob a top 25 team, still, if we don't.

 

I want a coach who warrants a UNC offer, a Duke offer, a pUKe offer a Kansas offer, because across the history of college basketball, that's who we are.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

He comes off as even more of a bag than Crean to me.

That's what I've heard recently.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

You're definitely in the minority there. Stevens is a hell of a basketball coach and frankly a perfect fit for IU.

I'm definitely in a small minority. That's for sure. But, he'd be close to as much of a home run on paper as anyone else that hasn't coached in a big 6 conference.

[TomPritchard25 526]

Could pass as brothers

Fran from Iowa is the biggest Bag I've seen. Like, literally the biggest one I've laid eyes on. Crean is a short 3rd.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Fair enough. I just don't want to leap back into another 7 year High major audition.

Sure, chances are high any coach of merit would have a great season next year, if we land a big but prob a top 25 team, still, if we don't.

I want a coach who warrants a UNC offer, a Duke offer, a pUKe offer a Kansas offer, because across the history of college basketball, that's who we are.

Here is where we differ...a top 25 season is not a great season

[MikeRoberts 7,205]

I don't want a bag for a coach either

[hoosierbgh 1,264]

Here is where we differ...a top 25 season is not a great season

 

Most everyone realizes that a top 25 season is not considered great by IU standards, however some have a more than passing acquaintance with reality and understand that building the program back up has to start somewhere. A top 25 season next year is a reasonable goal no matter who the coach is. This constant pursuit of instant gratification needs to stop, it rarely ends well.

[8bucks 6,557]

Most everyone realizes that a top 25 season is not considered great by IU standards, however some have a more than passing acquaintance with reality and understand that building the program back up has to start somewhere. A top 25 season next year is a reasonable goal no matter who the coach is. This constant pursuit of instant gratification needs to stop, it rarely ends well.

I think this is correct but what folks like me fear is not next year it is the rebuild we are scheduled to have after JBj, Yogi, NZ, HP and Troy leave at the end of 2016. Once they leave we will be young again unless a couple of things happen.

One of those is that a guy like TB comes and is here 3 years. Combine his time with continued progression by Rob, Emmitt, Colin and our 2015 recruits and maybe the drop off does not occur.

If we do not get TB, yogis dad said he may not be back next year even if Crean is here. Hoosierpap alluded to the potential for several transfers this summer even if Crean stays. Crean has a history himself of chasing the new shiney thing by over recruiting every year and occasionally having to jettison senior leaders like Roth and Creek.

Building a consistent winner is the thing. I would argue that those who use our potential next year as a defense for keeping Crean want instant gratification.

[mdn82 25,546]

My opinion is you are wrong. He has the style and knowledge to take this job and run with it. All he has done was win and win big at every stop. He reminds me of a better Bo Ryan before Bo took the Badgers job. He has proven time and time again he has the X's and Os to get the job done. Getting enough talent isn't an issue for any coach at IU. It's about getting a diciplined hard nosed team to get after it. Winning 17 championships in 17 years, finishing outside the top 3 in conference only 2 times is absolutely amazing. The only other mid major coach that could compete with that was Brad Stevens and the NBA came calling. Everyone and their brother wants Stevens, including myself. But if he says no, Gregg Marshall is a homerun.

My opinion is if he were that good he would already be coaching at a major college. Ask Mark Trestman what winning at every level gets you when you get to an actual pressure situation. If he were a homerun someone would have had him over the last 17 years. Before you say he was holding out for a prime job if he were that confident in his ability he wouldn't worry about coaching at a lower major conference.

It's good to disagree on this though. I have seen what we were under Knight and that is what people want to fire Crean for. I do not see enough major differences to say he is a homerun. To me he is a double at best. I don't think he could make it at IU. His personality just what I have seen in interviews would struggle here just like Crean. Recruiting would be a big question mark. His longevity at the mid major level would be the biggest question mark. We will see but I truly would be disappointed in getting him.

[hoosierbgh 1,264]

I think this is correct but what folks like me fear is not next year it is the rebuild we are scheduled to have after JBj, Yogi, NZ, HP and Troy leave at the end of 2016. Once they leave we will be young again unless a couple of things happen.

One of those is that a guy like TB comes and is here 3 years. Combine his time with continued progression by Rob, Emmitt, Colin and our 2015 recruits and maybe the drop off does not occur.

If we do not get TB, yogis dad said he may not be back next year even if Crean is here. Hoosierpap alluded to the potential for several transfers this summer even if Crean stays. Crean has a history himself of chasing the new shiney thing by over recruiting every year and occasionally having to jettison senior leaders like Roth and Creek.

Building a consistent winner is the thing. I would argue that those who use our potential next year as a defense for keeping Crean want instant gratification.

 

If IU were to land a sure thing, proven at this level hire then the benefit outweighs the risk. If IU is left chasing a mid major flavor of the month, then it's a foolish risk and we are likely back here again having this discussion in 3-5 years. However, none of that was the real point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is was simply that no matter who the coach is next year, a top 25 type season is a reasonable and attainable starting point to building a consistent winner.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Here is where we differ...a top 25 season is not a great season

That post DID NOT SAY THAT.  I said great, if we land a big. if we don't land a big it might still be top 25 (which infers that it isn't under the term great)

[theriverpilot 5,632]

After watching this game, it's obvious Marshall is a good coach...BUT, we can and should do better.

[WindyCitySource 600]

He looks exactly like Crean. To the point where during the game, the fact that he was wearing a grey suit (which TC would never wear) was the only thing differentiating the two of them from most angles. 

[trailrunner 49]

Fair enough. I just don't want to leap back into another 7 year High major audition.

Sure, chances are high any coach of merit would have a great season next year, if we land a big but prob a top 25 team, still, if we don't.

I want a coach who warrants a UNC offer, a Duke offer, a pUKe offer a Kansas offer, because across the history of college basketball, that's who we are.

You mean like Bobby Knight?

[Feathery 4,005]

My opinion is if he were that good he would already be coaching at a major college. Ask Mark Trestman what winning at every level gets you when you get to an actual pressure situation. If he were a homerun someone would have had him over the last 17 years. Before you say he was holding out for a prime job if he were that confident in his ability he wouldn't worry about coaching at a lower major conference.

It's good to disagree on this though. I have seen what we were under Knight and that is what people want to fire Crean for. I do not see enough major differences to say he is a homerun. To me he is a double at best. I don't think he could make it at IU. His personality just what I have seen in interviews would struggle here just like Crean. Recruiting would be a big question mark. His longevity at the mid major level would be the biggest question mark. We will see but I truly would be disappointed in getting him.

He isn't leaving for a bottom type program. He will only leave for a blue blood or a program that can excel. Texas, Florida, Cuse would be the type of programs he will leave for. Power conference schools have came after him and he tells them no. He wants to win and he isn't going to a dead end program. He is very smart about his career.

[Trish 11,715]

We don't need Crean Jr.

 

We need Crean Sr! 

[Feathery 4,005]

We don't need Crean Jr.

We need Crean Sr!

Crean Jr?

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

You mean like Bobby Knight?

1973 was a different world

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

One thing I'll say about Marshall is he drew up an incredible play that resulted in the layup when they were up 2 with 50 seconds to go.   I don't really want Marshall as IU's next coach (whenever that is) ,but IU could definitely end up much worse.