Indiana won't be Indiana until it wants to be Indiana

[southernindianahoosier 422]

My point is losing rarely is due to the coach; a coach can definitely lose a game, but why is everyone so sure that game was on Crean? Our zone offense was horrible. I get that; but that isn't necessarily on the coach so not sure why it's an automatic around here?

But with IU v. Syracuse, he was blown out by them twice in the same year.

The excuses some people make for that game: "it was a matchup nightmare, hulls was hurt, and on and on"... Give it up. It was 90% Crean's fault.

[JSHoosier 21,716]

I'm willing to place some blame on the players for that debacle, but they looked horridly prepared from the opening tip so I won't absolve the staff.

[Uspshoosier 51,326]

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But with IU v. Syracuse, he was blown out by them twice in the same year.

The excuses some people make for that game: "it was a matchup nightmare, hulls was hurt, and on and on"... Give it up. It was 90% Crean's fault.[/quote they didn't play Syracuse 2 times that year we played them again with last years team at the carrier dome still a beat down

[Uspshoosier 51,326]

Can people give syracuse credit in what they did defensively in that tournament or not? They lost 4 of 5 going into the tourney and turn things around Teams scored 34, 60,50, and 39 Pts in their 4 games getting to the final 4. I expected us to win and was disappointed when we didn't. better teams losing happens all the time in March it just hurt Iu fans (at least me) more because we hadn't been in that situation in such a long time

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Well, he was an IU football player in the late '80's early 90's.

I know that people who get loud on the internet are usually a little more chill when you're in their face, live.

No doubt there.. everyone is a cage fighter from the keyboard

[Uspshoosier 51,326]

Gotta beat big boys if you want to be a big boy.

They were 7-1 (reg season) against ap top 25 that year actually they had to beat the little dogs 4 of their 7 losses were to non-ranked opponents

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

But with IU v. Syracuse, he was blown out by them twice in the same year.

The excuses some people make for that game: "it was a matchup nightmare, hulls was hurt, and on and on"... Give it up. It was 90% Crean's fault.

There's no way of knowing that, and you illuminate by point by pulling a number like 90% out of your ass. I mean, where did you come up with that? I'm not blaming anyone. It was a collective team loss. It wasn't any different than our loss at Minnesota; it was the NCAA tourney, so naturally you guys care more, and want someone to blame. Crean is a great target.

People bring up the shortcomings; where was Oladipo in that game? He's why we won at MSU, right, not Crean. Where was he against Cuse? How about Yogi? His poorest game of that season by far. He played like a veteran until that game.

[BlueDevil 9,359]

[quote name="Uspshoosier" post="133690" timestamp="1423232154"][quote name="southernindianahoosier" post="133684" timestamp="1423231176"]But with IU v. Syracuse, he was blown out by them twice in the same year.

The excuses some people make for that game: "it was a matchup nightmare, hulls was hurt, and on and on"... Give it up. It was 90% Crean's fault.[/quote they didn't play Syracuse 2 times that year we played them again with last years team at the carrier dome still a beat down[/quote]

I believe he meant twice in the year 2013.

[southernindianahoosier 422]

There's no way of knowing that, and you illuminate by point by pulling a number like 90% out of your ass. I mean, where did you come up with that? I'm not blaming anyone. It was a collective team loss. It wasn't any different than our loss at Minnesota; it was the NCAA tourney, so naturally you guys care more, and want someone to blame. Crean is a great target.

People bring up the shortcomings; where was Oladipo in that game? He's why we won at MSU, right, not Crean. Where was he against Cuse? How about Yogi? His poorest game of that season by far. He played like a veteran until that game.

Please list your reasons why we lost that game.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Please list your reasons why we lost that game.

There is no list. Syracuse was better on that given night.

[Uspshoosier 51,326]

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I believe he meant twice in the year 2013.

that could be but the second game was a new season and different team. It's not like they beat the same team twice that year (wisky did that)

[Hutch89 2,946]

REBELHOOSIER!!!    WHERE ARE YOU!???

 

 

seriously though, if you can read this, please let me know you're there. I need you in my life!

[BlueDevil 9,359]

that could be but the second game was a new season and different team. It's not like they beat the same team twice that year (wisky did that)

Yes I know

[Uspshoosier 51,326]

Please list your reasons why we lost that game.

2010-#1 kansas loses #9 no Iowa second round. #1syracuse loses 5 butler. Sweet 16.


2011- 1duke loses 5 Arizona (beat 8 Michigan by 2 in second rd) 1 Pittsburgh loses 8 butler second rd


2012- 1 Michigan st loses 4 Louisville sweet 16

2013- 1 gonzaga loses 9 Wichita st 2nd rd
1 Kansas loses 4 Michigan sweet 16
1indiana loses 4 Syracuse sweet 16

2014- 1virginia loses 4 mich st sweet 16
1 whicita st loses 8 kentucky 2nd rd.

the reason we lost was because we played bad in a single elimination tourney just like what happens every year in March. This is why March madness is the greatest sporting event (imo unless it's your team getting upset)

[southernindianahoosier 422]

2010-#1 kansas loses #9 no Iowa second round. #1syracuse loses 5 butler. Sweet 16.


2011- 1duke loses 5 Arizona (beat 8 Michigan by 2 in second rd) 1 Pittsburgh loses 8 butler second rd


2012- 1 Michigan st loses 4 Louisville sweet 16

2013- 1 gonzaga loses 9 Wichita st 2nd rd
1 Kansas loses 4 Michigan sweet 16
1indiana loses 4 Syracuse sweet 16

2014- 1virginia loses 4 mich st sweet 16
1 whicita st loses 8 kentucky 2nd rd.

the reason we lost was because we played bad in a single elimination tourney just like what happens every year in March. This is why March madness is the greatest sporting event (imo unless it's your team getting upset)

Excluding gonzaga, how many of those teams got embarrassed like we did?

[Uspshoosier 51,326]

Excluding gonzaga, how many of those teams got embarrassed like we did?

depends on your definition of embarrassed. 2012 mich st scored 44 Pts and lost by 13. Any 1 seed losing in 2nd round to a mid major might be concidered embarrassing by some. I just call it getting upset in a win or go home game

[TrueHoosier62 1,693]

The topic of this thread hurts my brain to read it, and I'd promised myself to never get involved in these types of threads again, but...........

 

 

I'm not convinced that we'll ever be able to be "Indiana" again. Presumably, what's implied is a type of basketball program that resembles or rather resembled those teams produced under coach Knight during the seventies and eighties. For starters, the kids we're taking now would not have made it under coach Knight, (and, in my opinion) he would not have recruited them in the first place. What Crean has assembled to date is, for all intents and purposes, a group of varying sized guards and small forwards. Some are slashers, some are shooters and a few can pass, but none can play, or do play, defense. They'll always be brittle in their game, blowing away a good team here or there, and losing to teams they have no business of losing to. Part of the problem is the makeup of the team. If ever a team was the embodiment of the axiom, "live by the three, die by the three" it is this team. Of course, without a front court, what else is there to do? The fact that there isn't a front court is either by design, by injuries, or by attrition, but it still doesn't matter. After seven years, this program is exactly what you see, and will see, for as long as Crean is coaching here. We are fast becoming a southern annex of Purdue basketball, always seeing and believing the best is just around the corner, just a another McDonald's All America player away from a championship, just a good break away from excellence. It  doesn't happen like that, and it won't happen like that under Crean. Shooting the lights out of the three is a lot like wallpaper; it covers up a multitude of sins, but there just isn't enough wallpaper for this team.

Ok......so everyone doesn't go apesh*t on me again, I'll leave and lurk in the background....

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,306]

Rebel?????? Where are you?

 

Don't go MIA on us

[jonz44 827]

The topic of this thread hurts my brain to read it, and I'd promised myself to never get involved in these types of threads again, but...........


I'm not convinced that we'll ever be able to be "Indiana" again. Presumably, what's implied is a type of basketball program that resembles or rather resembled those teams produced under coach Knight during the seventies and eighties. For starters, the kids we're taking now would not have made it under coach Knight, (and, in my opinion) he would not have recruited them in the first place. What Crean has assembled to date is, for all intents and purposes, a group of varying sized guards and small forwards. Some are slashers, some are shooters and a few can pass, but none can play, or do play, defense. They'll always be brittle in their game, blowing away a good team here or there, and losing to teams they have no business of losing to. Part of the problem is the makeup of the team. If ever a team was the embodiment of the axiom, "live by the three, die by the three" it is this team. Of course, without a front court, what else is there to do? The fact that there isn't a front court is either by design, by injuries, or by attrition, but it still doesn't matter. After seven years, this program is exactly what you see, and will see, for as long as Crean is coaching here. We are fast becoming a southern annex of Purdue basketball, always seeing and believing the best is just around the corner, just a another McDonald's All America player away from a championship, just a good break away from excellence. It doesn't happen like that, and it won't happen like that under Crean. Shooting the lights out of the three is a lot like wallpaper; it covers up a multitude of sins, but there just isn't enough wallpaper for this team.
Ok......so everyone doesn't go apesh*t on me again, I'll leave and lurk in the background....

I agree with you in large part but...southern annex of Purdue? Man that's a low blow!!!

[TrueHoosier62 1,693]

I agree with you in large part but...southern annex of Purdue? Man that's a low blow!!!

 

Well, it's not meant to be really. It's only meant to show that in my opinion, we're kidding ourselves if, (as Purdue fans have for years), we think this program is going to win a championship or is likely to win one in the coming years. It'd be like trying to kill an elephant with a pop gun. Crean will always put together pop gun teams. Duke, Kentucky, and others bring serious artillery to the fight.