Tom crean

[schoosier 3,649]

I'm not certain you actually read my post. I wrote that I'm likely on the side that is ready to move on, even if we just squeak into the tourney. And by extenuating circumstances outside of Crean's control I meant something like a season ending injury to a key player. I'm honestly not sure how you decided to tie what I wrote to Crean's inability to develop project bigs.
 
Honestly I've read your post twice now and I have no idea how you took what I wrote and thought that was stating anything related to what you wrote about. I didn't write about player development. I didn't write about project bigs, and I didn't even write about big men in general. And I actually said I'm on the side of moving on. So...

No harm no foul. We are here for the same reason and want Indiana to be at its best. The season will roll on and it will work itself out. Here's hoping for the best.

[bnkepner 1,509]

I'm not certain you actually read my post. 

 

Honestly I've read your post twice now and I have no idea how you took what I wrote and thought that was stating anything related to what you wrote about.

Thats how things seem to work around here most of the time hahaha

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Why did Crean even play April against Louisville if Crean doesn't think April is capable of playing against G-Town??

I think he played April against Louisville FIRST... Maybe he found out then, that he shouldn't play him against Georgetown.

[8bucks 7,127]

I think he played April against Louisville FIRST... Maybe he found out then, that he shouldn't play him against Georgetown.

He had to be hurt. The Gtown bigs were not quick so he would have matched up better against them than against Louisville

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

He had to be hurt. The Gtown bigs were not quick so he would have matched up better against them than against Louisville

You're probably correct that he'd have matched up better against Josh smith and would have had 5 fouls to give.

 

If Yogi had taken that 4th foul on Smith during his 3 attempt instead of dribbling away from it, the game would have ended differently. I put a lot of blame of Yogi for that failed recognition.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Holy crap this thread was easily the most confused and confusing fire Crean thread this forum will ever see.

[bnkepner 1,509]

Holy crap this thread was easily the most confused and confusing fire Crean thread this forum will ever see.

Hasn't this forum basically turned into a "fire Crean" forum by now? haha

[schoosier 3,649]

Hasn't this forum basically turned into a "fire Crean" forum by now? haha

The team's performance against Georgetown was more than good enough to get a win. Just look at the stats. Most understand why we didn't. For those of us it's obvious. For those who didn't, chances are high they never will. That's not a slam against those who feel this way. The outcome was decided on the sideline which is easy for most to see. The thread is Tom Crean and while he is a good man imo, he is absolutely a terrible in game coach. His performances always speak for themselves time and again and no mention of any knicknames from me either.

[bnkepner 1,509]

The team's performance against Georgetown was more than good enough to get a win. Just look at the stats. Most understand why we didn't. For those of us it's obvious. For those who didn't, chances are high they never will. That's not a slam against those who feel this way. The outcome was decided on the sideline which is easy for most to see. The thread is Tom Crean and while he is a good man imo, he is absolutely a terrible in game coach. His performances always speak for themselves time and again and no mention of any knicknames from me either.

My question is what about the accountability of the players? They make bad passes and make turnovers. I understand that Crean makes mistakes. There are lots of things he does that I don't agree with. But more often than not, the players frustrate me with their dumb mistakes (enter Troy Williams and Robinson).  I think a coach can teach strategy and prepare the team they want but in the end the players have to execute and that didn't happen in the final stretch against Georgetown.

[southernindianahoosier 422]

My question is what about the accountability of the players? They make bad passes and make turnovers. I understand that Crean makes mistakes. There are lots of things he does that I don't agree with. But more often than not, the players frustrate me with their dumb mistakes (enter Troy Williams and Robinson). I think a coach can teach strategy and prepare the team they want but in the end the players have to execute and that didn't happen in the final stretch against Georgetown.

As a coach you have to play the 5 players that give you the best possible chance at winning, and that lineup changes every game. I don't believe Tom puts the best lineup in certain game defining situations. Neither does he call timeouts in game defining situations. I also think he needs to play Holt with Perea.

I think it's more substitution/lineup based than it is "players making dumb mistakes".

[HoosierTrav 8,169]

I don't understand why crean goes out and recruit 7 footer and not put the on the court.April can't get any better on the bench a real coach would play him a few minutes every game you don't seven footer on the bench when you r as small a we r. Iu fans have u seen Luke Fisher play at Marquette university one best post player in the country. I'm 49 years been Hoosier all my life I have never seen a coach as bad as cream put ur two big guy in crean what is it going to hurt you can't win big game with 5 guards on floor

 Honestly, I wouldnt look too deep into this one for the sole reason that April has been plagued with small, nagging injuries since his arrival. I will agree that from the little time we've seen him, he displayed some good footwork and skill. If he's not truly being held out for health reasons than I do have a major issue with it. You only gain confidence by getting actual game experience.

[coonhounds 10,259]

My question is what about the accountability of the players? They make bad passes and make turnovers. I understand that Crean makes mistakes. There are lots of things he does that I don't agree with. But more often than not, the players frustrate me with their dumb mistakes (enter Troy Williams and Robinson). I think a coach can teach strategy and prepare the team they want but in the end the players have to execute and that didn't happen in the final stretch against Georgetown.

they make to many mental errors with no action taken is what it looks like to me. It is most certainly creans fault he is more likely to sit a kid for hitting two threes in a row than he is for him throwing two bad passes. He lets things get way out of control before action is taken and that costs us more times than not. If ever in doubt when it comes to on court performance and off there is always room to blame the man in charge that is why he gets rich doing it and if he wins a few championships here the fans would treat him like a god just how it is

[HoosierTrav 8,169]

What's it going to hurt to have slow big guys without experience playing? Really?

And they'll improve in practice. Just like every other team does with players.

 I respectfully disagree. First, most big guys are slower than the bunch. There's a reason bigs like Cody were revered for their speed and quickness. Not a lot of them. Secondly, You dont build game experience in practice. No matter how hard coaches have tried, no coach in the history of sport or coaching has successfully simulated the pressure  of when the lights come on in a practice. Hasn't been done. They do their best to blast boomboxes to simulate crowd noise and extend broomsticks to simulate length but its NEVER the same, or even close. Practice is used for creating habits and preparing a gameplan. Some guys are horrific practice players but are different guys on gameday. Granted, I prefer a player who takes practice seriously. I'm of the contingent who believes confidence is built during games. Only room for 5 guys on the court at one time though.

[bnkepner 1,509]

As a coach you have to play the 5 players that give you the best possible chance at winning, and that lineup changes every game. I don't believe Tom puts the best lineup in certain game defining situations. Neither does he call timeouts in game defining situations. I also think he needs to play Holt with Perea.

I think it's more substitution/lineup based than it is "players making dumb mistakes".

Playing Holt and Perea together would create a negative mismatch for us. Neither one can really be counted on to score.

[HoosierTrav 8,169]

I like how Perea is our "only" big man.

 I think you forgot the additional quotation marks on each side of big man.

[southernindianahoosier 422]

Playing Holt and Perea together would create a negative mismatch for us. Neither one can really be counted on to score.

We should have enough scoring in yogi, jbj, and Troy. Playing Holt and Perea is a rebounding and defensive strategy. Should be used to double team a big man down low. It would not take away as much as people think on offense.

[coonhounds 10,259]

We should have enough scoring in yogi, jbj, and Troy. Playing Holt and Perea is a rebounding and defensive strategy. Should be used to double team a big man down low. It would not take away as much as people think on offense.

plus holt can score the ball I think

[GloryDays 6,085]

My question is what about the accountability of the players? They make bad passes and make turnovers. I understand that Crean makes mistakes. There are lots of things he does that I don't agree with. But more often than not, the players frustrate me with their dumb mistakes (enter Troy Williams and Robinson).  I think a coach can teach strategy and prepare the team they want but in the end the players have to execute and that didn't happen in the final stretch against Georgetown.

I think the game was lost in the 15 to 3 run by Georgetown not down the stretch.

The game should have never gotten to the point where we needed heroics to win.While I agree players should have freedom to make decisions there are also times when they need discipline and to be reminded what fundamental basketball is.

They're called timeouts.

[Dalton26 17,036]

Playing Holt and Perea together would create a negative mismatch for us. Neither one can really be counted on to score.

Not to mention who would back them both up?

[HoosierAloha 30,100]

The advantage we have on offense is spacing the floor, creating opens to drive and score/kick out to open shooters. If Holt and Hanner were in the game with Troy we would lose that because neither are dominant in the post. It would cause more harm than creating an advantage. Throw Hartman in for Williams and it might work a little better but still not ideal.