IU vs Louisville Post Game Thread

[DawgBawls 712]

Rumor:

 

 

Harrell just dunked on us again.....

[HoosierCoop 3,889]

Effort = A (It is obvious that the Hoosiers wanted that game last night and I truly believe they rose for the occassion)

Physically = D (it is not their fault, Did Louisville even break a sweat?  It looked like they could take their time on shots and passes)

Hanner = B (Had some really shining moments last night and I felt we missed him for once when he wasn't on the floor)

Guard play (yogi, rojo, jbj, nick) = B (unfortunately our game plan of UL's guards missing shots didn't work.)

Bench = C (Holt and Hartman, Horray! / Troy and Stan...not so well.  Probably UL accounted 12 points off of their turnovers)

Coaching = B (I think Crean had a legit game plan, UL is just a better team)

 

*side note - I saw during a timeout Stan push another IU player away in the huddle.  Did anybody else see that?  Who was it?  I am starting to think that we may not see Stan after Christmas.  Just my opinion, no rumors.

 

*shocking statement - I actually like the concept of Troy running the fast break, if he would stop thinking of himself and his highlights, I think that would be tough to stop.  Pride and control are your friends Troy!

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

This was a great game going into the B1G season. We probably won't face another defense as big, strong, and experienced as Louisville the rest of the season, and we still put up more points than any other team and posted a .96 point per possession rate which is also the highest of any team thus far. We played 25 minutes of competitive basketball against a team that looks like it could be a championship contender.

Hanner and Emmitt really looked great out there, and neither turned the ball over. Hanner has really worked on positioning himself to take charges, which is great, but is still figuring out post defense. I was very impressed by Hanner's aggressive play on offense, and that beautiful shot block. Emmitt had some very strong, two-handed rebounds and a saw a very nice offensive board put-back from him as well.

The thing that killed us, was in the second half, we started playing hero ball. Too many individuals decided to start trying to take it to the rim within seconds of the possession, forgetting about the monster on the middle waiting to annihilate their shot. I found myself pleading with Troy not to drive to the hoop every time he touched the ball.

Crean clearly had a very good game plan, but buckled and went back to his unnecessary sub patterns. I understand the press defense by Louisville wears out a team, but I think our guys are better conditioned than most and we should have kept the lineup tighter, especially in the second half.

Although severely disappointed as I truly believed we had a shot at this game, I know we are not a championship contender, but I do see a tournament team on the floor. Can't wait for Georgetown and the B1G! HOO HOO HOO, HOOSIERS!

[Bk4life 190]

Effort = A (It is obvious that the Hoosiers wanted that game last night and I truly believe they rose for the occassion)

Physically = D (it is not their fault, Did Louisville even break a sweat?  It looked like they could take their time on shots and passes)

Hanner = B (Had some really shining moments last night and I felt we missed him for once when he wasn't on the floor)

Guard play (yogi, rojo, jbj, nick) = B (unfortunately our game plan of UL's guards missing shots didn't work.)

Bench = C (Holt and Hartman, Horray! / Troy and Stan...not so well.  Probably UL accounted 12 points off of their turnovers)

Coaching = B (I think Crean had a legit game plan, UL is just a better team)

 

*side note - I saw during a timeout Stan push another IU player away in the huddle.  Did anybody else see that?  Who was it?  I am starting to think that we may not see Stan after Christmas.  Just my opinion, no rumors.

 

*shocking statement - I actually like the concept of Troy running the fast break, if he would stop thinking of himself and his highlights, I think that would be tough to stop.  Pride and control are your friends Troy!

I saw the push too but could not see who was pushed...I thought it might have been Zeisloft?

[HoosierCoop 3,889]

I saw the push too but could not see who was pushed...I thought it might have been Zeisloft?

I think you are right BK.  We need leaders on this team and I believe Nick was brought in to help with that.  He showed it last night.  If Stan can't take it, then that is a TEAM problem that needs to be dealt with.

[Bk4life 190]

I think you are right BK.  We need leaders on this team and I believe Nick was brought in to help with that.  He showed it last night.  If Stan can't take it, then that is a TEAM problem that needs to be dealt with.

I have a hunch we don't see Stan on this team next season

[incrediboy 922]

I think the progress and the outcome of this game was very predictable. Our young kids played like young kids. Blackmon made a slew of horrible decisions, looking like a boy playing against men for the first time and realizing what it means to get his clock cleaned. Once he'd been stuffed a couple of times even his 3-point shot went to pot. Hopefully he learned from it. Hartman was completely a non-factor, and it disturbs me that he appeared to totally lose his way on the big stage. Troy and Stan tried to do things they're not ready to do (not sure if the day will ever come that they are ready to do those things). Why is Hoetzel getting so much PT? I still think he's overmatched at this level (although that one three-pointer with the foul was pretty). He surely can't play defense at this level yet.

 

We should, I believe, be encouraged by a few things:

 

Hanner played like we've wanted him to play and didn't give an inch when he was nose-to-nose with their big guys. Our zone took him out of position and allowed them to get a few dunks...he has to learn to slide back down to the baseline when he sees a big man getting behind the zone. But we won't see many big men of this quality in the conference. Kaminski aside, Purdue has some big bodies but the mobility is nowhere near Louisville's. Holt showed a lot of poise for his limited playing time and his intro into MSG. And the fact that Crean put April into the game in the first half (finally) shows that April is obviously coming on strong in practice. Continued improvement from him -- enough to make him an 8-to-10-minutes-per-game-off-the-bench guy -- would go a long way for us.

 

Zeis showed he doesn't get rattled on the big stage. That was a big hurdle for a smaller-school transfer IMO.

 

Most positively, our runs to end the first half and start the second half were very significant. We were up against a behemoth of a team with our inexperienced children and actually climbed out of a double-digit hole in the first half to take a four-point lead in the second half. I think that speaks volumes for the effort Crean is getting from these guys. It also says they believe in themselves.

 

Most of our turnovers were "good intentions" passes that were deflected or picked off (and a couple of times just horribly off target because their defense forced changes in decisions at the last second). Against lesser teams, those passes found their targets. Against a team as quick and experienced as Louisville, those passes were anticipated and broken up. Good lesson for us when we play experienced teams like Iowa and Wisconsin.

 

Obviously Crean is saving full-court pressure for B1G time. I can't disagree with that -- why give conference teams an advance look? But with our quickness, our depth and our guards with good hands, this team should be playing at least 30 minutes of full-court pressure on defense.

[Hovadipo 55,175]

JBJ's dunk came crashing through the net and slammed into Harrell's face. That was awesome!

Crashing through the net,
On a one-hand fastbreak dunk

Over Harrell you bet,
Jimbo brought the funk! (Ha-ha-ha)


I'll show myself out...

[hoosha61 386]

I was most encouraged by scoring 74 PTs on arguably the best D in college basketball.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Outcome was not unexpected, this loss was definitely closer than 20 points. 

 

Man, if we had Devin we would be dangerous this year. 

 

Honestly, thought the team came out and looked pretty well prepared, we just got overtaken by Louisville's superior talent and pace. Once the game got away from us we did a good job climbing back in. 

 

Some confusing sub patterns, but overall I thought a pretty decently coached game by Crean.

 

Stan and Troy................... I've really seen enough. 

 

If we can progress through the season and Hanner plays like that more often, I think we can find ourselves dancing in March

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Glad to see Sheehey believe in these guys... [attachment=1447:ImageUploadedByBtownBanners1418228764.528530.jpg]

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

I'm another one who feels good about where we are as a team. Most teams have a glaring weakness. Ours is rebounding but we are so much better at other teams in multiple areas. What we need to do is just run the stupid offense. I would love for Crean to say "unless you have a wide open flipping lane, I better see 4 passes before ANYTHING happens". I'm not sure why that is so hard to digest. It's one pass and our guard/forward is off to races/hoop. 

 

**btw - Stan slapped/shoved at Holt and then it looked like Holt told him to chill. Robinson was sooo good late last year. We need to get his head right but if he is going to continue to play like this, maybe he has already checked out. Perhaps Crean wanted to protect his image for the future and is giving him an easy out to transfer after semester. Who knows

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I do not feel good. Not at all. Hanner is not a rebounding or a defensive threat. Our interior defense and defensive rebounding is just bad. When pressure comes, turnovers are created.

I am guessing Georgetowns frontcourt cannot wait until this game begins.

[Alabaster Thunder 306]

Stan mixed it up with Colin as well, just after Stan's "focus issues" led to those back to back inbounding turnovers to Harrell. Stan later over threw Colin or Nick on an inbounds pass that went for a Louisville dunk the other way... Stan's turnovers or lackadasical play had to directly account for ~12-14 pts for Louisville.

[KingPG21 6,583]

I have a hunch we don't see Stan on this team next season

At this point it would be way more shocking if Stan were on the team next year

[DawgBawls 712]

Outcome was not unexpected, this loss was definitely closer than 20 points. 

 

Man, if we had Devin we would be dangerous this year. 

 

Honestly, thought the team came out and looked pretty well prepared, we just got overtaken by Louisville's superior talent and pace. Once the game got away from us we did a good job climbing back in. 

 

Some confusing sub patterns, but overall I thought a pretty decently coached game by Crean.

 

Stan and Troy................... I've really seen enough. 

 

If we can progress through the season and Hanner plays like that more often, I think we can find ourselves dancing in March

Did I write this or you?

[Alford Bailey 12,355]

wow. Replace him with Jaquan Lyle?

Now, your talkin...

[Alford Bailey 12,355]

Sorry, I'm not going with any moral victories here. We coulda had this game very close at the end with a chance to win. The issues with this team are such basic fundamentals. Stupid passes, don't dribble into the trees unless you plan on using a pump fake and block out. Harrell went off but we never put a body on him most of the night. Defense is horrible. Zone and man. I could get to the lane against these guys. Troy and Stan, ugh. This is so frustrating because we are talented but just lack so many basics.

[DJ Candypants 137]

I saw a lot of bright spots during the game, but I agree we did not play "Smart". Stan was awful, but in a way that 5 man platoon put all the pressure on him straight off the bench. He had 4 slower than anyone on the court players to pass to. I am sure that was overwhelming. I think that was on Crean more then Stan. I hate the platoon subbing, and in that game it was what a 10 point 12 point swing? Why not sub 4 leave Yogi in for 2 more minutes so we can get the ball up the court? Then pull Yogi out when Rob comes back in? Not trying to bash Crean I know that is played out, but that subbing is delusional at best. Sorry to post on the negative side, when over all I feel the team showed they have potential.

[GloryDays 5,913]

I saw a lot of bright spots during the game, but I agree we did not play "Smart". Stan was awful, but in a way that 5 man platoon put all the pressure on him straight off the bench. He had 4 slower than anyone on the court players to pass to. I am sure that was overwhelming. I think that was on Crean more then Stan. I hate the platoon subbing, and in that game it was what a 10 point 12 point swing? Why not sub 4 leave Yogi in for 2 more minutes so we can get the ball up the court? Then pull Yogi out when Rob comes back in? Not trying to bash Crean I know that is played out, but that subbing is delusional at best. Sorry to post on the negative side, when over all I feel the team showed they have potential.

I didnt understand taking Hanner out when we did when he was killing it..Seemed to really kill the mojo we had going.

Not the first time Ive seen that happen.