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From twitter Duke: 82, UofL: 56 The bad news, Card fans, is that this game won't be vacated. The good news, however, is that you only lost one game today instead of 123 games like yesterday. [emoji

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After OSU got smoked by Penn State last night, #iubb now has the number 1 adjusted defensive efficiency in Big Ten play. #iubb was LAST in the conference in Adj. Def. Eff. a year ago. @AssemblyCal

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Just wanted to say before we start the new season it’s always a pleasure talking hoops with almost all the posters on this board. Not sure how many years it’s been but this board is a part of my col

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Langford, McQuaid, Goins, Nairn. Plus Gavin Schilling will be back. They'll have front court depth this year. Langford is going to have a year under his belt for the backcourt. They'll start Winston(6-0), Langford(6-5), Bridges(6-7), Jackson(6-10), Ward(6-9). This will be the best team in East Lansing since 12-13.


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Also get Ben Carter back since he never played. Bridges, Schilling, Ward, Tillman, Goins & Carter are gonna be hard to deal with in the post. 2 starting caliber pg's as well. Throw in Langford and McQuiad and you got a great team with depth to handle injuries. If they get Bowen or Mark Smith then wow!!

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Also get Ben Carter back since he never played. Bridges, Schilling, Ward, Tillman, Goins & Carter are gonna be hard to deal with in the post. 2 starting caliber pg's as well. Throw in Langford and McQuiad and you got a great team with depth to handle injuries. If they get Bowen or Mark Smith then wow!!

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Carter still needs to be granted a 6th year of eligibility by the NCAA but I'm sure he will.   On paper Michigan St and Arizona should be the early favorites in my opinion 

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Click on Archie Miller clinic notes. It is from October but very insightful on CAM skill development program

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Real quick thoughts on Notre Dame:

Colson stays. Not a big surprise. I don’t think anybody thought he was a legit early entry threat. They return 3 of 5 starters. You’re going to have Pflueger, Farrell, and Colson back to go with TJ Gibbs who they really like and got some time this year. The rest of the guys he’s got are Torres, Geben, and Mooney, a few others who are role players. Brey makes a lot of noise out of role players so we’ll see what he can do there. He’s got a 4 star 6’8’’ forward coming in out of Maryland in DJ Harvey. I expect him to play a fair amount as well with the exit of Beachem and Vasturia.

The long story short and I don’t want to spend too much time on these guys but ND is in the grad transfer market. I would expect them to be targeting some guard support behind Farrell and Gibbs. I don’t know how Brey is going to make the most of his play dough. It’s not obvious every year. He just seems to show up with a team that can beat almost anybody. I expect that to happen again for no other reason that it’s happened before. But it’s not obvious how it’s going to come together looking at these pieces.

The people that I trust in the AAU game really, really like Harvey. They think he’s going to be a kid that can step in and do a lot of things in the Beachem-esque role and be able to give them some immediate help.

Colson is just so hard to see how he does what he does. Maybe he is the perfect guy for Mike Brey. Sometimes you’re not sure how Mike Brey turns these teams into what he turns them into. If Colson was out and playing a pickup game with all D1 players and people just looked at a 6’6” not a post, not a guard, kind of in between guy. You just think is he Corliss Williamson?  In the ACC tournament he may have been the best player.

Real quick thoughts on Patrick Ewing as a hire:

He’s a first funny take: my son loves Patrick Ewing. Why? Well he started by playing NBA 2K and you get to pick the older teams. He loves that a guy that’s 7 foot can hit an 18-foot jumper. So he thinks Ewing’s the best. He’s all of a sudden all in on Georgetown. He wants shorts. He wants gear.

I don’t know how you could say that you upgraded. My buddy always says don’t fire a guy unless you got a really good guy waiting in the wings. I think this was a mistake. I’m not sure how Patrick Ewing is going to do. I appreciate that he’s paid his dues as an assistant. He’s not a guy like Chris Mullin who just drops out of the sky into a job without really having coached before or Brad Ausmus for that matter. So I appreciate that he’s paid his dues on some NBA benches as an assistant coach but who knows how Patrick Ewing is going to do. I don’t know if you fire JT3 to start with.

A question for me is who’s running this program? People say that John Thompson is running the program. Well then I say why did he have you fire his kid? If he’s running it, just let him run it. This is weird to me. It looks like you fired John Thompson’s son and we tried to get Shaka, Amaker, Hurley, Pitino, Archie, Gregg Marshall and none of them would come here. So then we call John Thompson and he said hire Patrick Ewing. Again, I don’t know what your plan is over there. I hope Patrick is successful. I just assume Georgetown is good than not because Georgetown is a historical program and I think it’s good for the game.

Who’s doing the best so far?

There hasn’t been a lot of Archie Miller noise expect for they got a lot of guys in the ring without an agent so it’s hard to see how that’s going to play out. But Cuonzo Martin is making a splash. He’s making a big one. He’s going to have a top 10 class at Missouri. Obviously, Michael Porter Jr. the number one player in the nation. 6’10” from Seattle. Just signed Blake Harris who Michigan Sate was in on. Four star point guard out of Chapel Hill, North Carolina. He’s got CJ Roberts who he brought in another four star out of Texas. They’re still in the mix with two other highly recruited kids. Jeremiah Tilmon who was originally an Illinois signee. I believe he was a four star kid who was released from his letter of intent. And then a five star kid by the name of Kevin Knox. So he already has a top 10 class that might only get better. I get the knock from some people on what’s he ever done with the talent that he’s had because he had some pro’s and some really good kids out there at Cal. He’s going to put together a team, talent wise, that looks the most different of any of those schools last year to what he’s going to put on the court this year. So as of right now, I think he’d have to be at the top of the list of hires.

If you’re an Illinois fan and you just hired Underwood you’re kind of thinking man I’m getting upstaged by my rival and we’re only about 30 days into this. I think from an Xs and Os stand point Indiana is probably in good hands with Mr. Miller. But certainly, you gotta say Cuonzo has won the first 30 days here. I also think if you’re an Illinois fan, you’re going to say well Underwood is going to beat him with less talent. So I guess we’ll see how it plays out.

Real quick thoughts on Mr. Fisher's retirement:   

Steve Fisher retires from San Diego State. How will you remember the Steve Fisher era? Will you remember him as a good coach, a great coach, a roller out of basketballs and adult supervision? I think you’re obviously always going to go right to the Fab Five, right? Ask Coach Cal and I’m gonna talk about Calipari soon. It’s not easy to take all of that talent and mesh it together and make it fit and allow them to win at the levels they won as especially as freshman and sophomores. Sure there’s going to be some unfinished business about not winning the Big Ten title or not winning the NCAA title. I think his time at Michigan and the consistency in which he had when he was there starting out with being on the back end of the 88-89 national championship season and then into the Fab Five. So I think even just those years at Michigan always made me feel like he was a really good coach. But then almost what’s impressive is what he did at San Diego State. In his first year, he goes 5-23 and 0-14 in the league. I’m surprised he actually came back for year two after all the things he had done at Michigan. Really good run, some Sweet 16’s, a handful of NCAA tournaments. So I think that I’ll always think of Steve Fisher as a really good basketball coach.

From probably the original one and done coach to the modern day one and done, to two and done or one and done coach, Coach Calipari:

The 30 for 30 was interesting. Those are just so well done. Every time a new one is coming out I can’t wait to watch. I even watch the ones on topics that I’m not super interested in. But I though the 30 for 30 last week was great. It was ironic that it came out the same day as the Miles Bridges decision. What I love about him is he’s real. He is who is he. He’s not going to apologize for it. I thought the documentary painted him in a more positive light than maybe I expected. What I do know about him is he’s a great coach of effort; he’s a great recruiter. When he got hired that day at Kentucky he said I’m here because I can recruit the best of the best. So he knows it. My buddy made a good point this week. It’s really not easy to bring all of those guys who think that they’re the best and get them to defend and play hard and he does. If you watch that 30 for 30, the expectations and accountability are on a different planet than Steve Alford. If you take a bad shot, he is screaming. If you don’t guard, he is screaming. Most kids, sometimes, don’t want that. Maybe they’re not sure or they want it deep down. Derrick Rose had a great comment and said yeah I didn’t know he was crazy. He didn’t tell me was crazy when he recruited me. So some of things about Coach Cal I really appreciate who he is. The other thing is guys like Coach Izzo and other coaches really speak highly of him, which means a lot to me too. They kind of go out of their way, which is meaningful.

A couple of things that rubbed me the wrong way were the NBA draft comment when he said this was the biggest day in history for Kentucky’s program. I get why he said it but that’s the reason I wouldn’t want him coaching at my school. Why do the two have to be different? Why can’t you win try to win national championships and put guys in the NBA? I want a guy that says winning national championships is the paramount for me at this school. Building relationships and getting guys to the next level is something everyone wants to do. So that quote would be the reason I wouldn’t want him coaching my school.

I think at the end of the day, there were two things that were left out of the documentary that bothered me. First, I don’t think at Kentucky he cheats. I’m not even sure if he cheated at UMass if you really look at the Marcus Camby stuff and the agent being at Camby’s home and not on campus and the Derrick Rose SAT test. I don’t know if he cheats or violates NCAA rules, but I think he recruits some questionable character kids who then cheat and do the things that Camby and Rose did which is 100 percent cheating. I don’t care what Derrick Rose says. So I do think that really wasn’t necessarily addressed as the type of kids he takes which are grey area kids. My biggest issue is the myth that he puts guys in the NBA. Get real. John Wall goes into the lottery if he goes to Carolina. Anthony Davis is going in the lottery if he goes to Kansas. Boogie Cousins is going in the lottery if he goes to Duke. Derrick Rose is going in the lottery if he goes to Louisville. He’s not doing anything with these kids during their eight month stay that puts them in the NBA but what does do is he’s best at getting those kids to come there. I don’t want to hear he’s best at putting guys in the NBA. Those are NBA ready guys even before the time they step foot into Lexington, he just happens to get more of those than other people. I was bummed that that wasn’t addressed or addressed incorrectly. When you’re running the dribble drive stuff you can create a way where it’s a little bit better for guards to showcase their talent. When he tells guys to throw the ball into the post but he doesn’t run anything for bigs. Anthony Davis, Boogie Cousins and Adebayo weren’t getting anything run for them. I could argue that they could have gone somewhere else and displayed their talents better.

Going back to the accountability and intensity, when you saw him on the Nets sideline, and you saw Sam Cassell say I’m not diving for that loose ball in the first quarter that made me think of how I really feel how coaching in the NBA would have been tough for Tom Izzo. When you demand those things, you have accountability and expectations for grown men, I think back to the Izzo and Cavs and Hawks flirtation. It would have been interesting to see if Coach Izzo would have been able to change because Calipari couldn’t change, and he didn’t last. That’s why some of these guys who are institutions in college should stay there and I’m always glad when they do. It bums me out when they leave. I think we see them do it more often in college football probably less in the last 5-10 years than ever before because the money has become equitable but the more guys stay the better.

 

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On 4/8/2017 at 4:44 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Slow news day, News:
Ty Rogers is now employed by Michigan Football.
I guess pay raises at each stop.

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In similar news, I think we just lost our current social media/graphic guy (Title: Dir. of Creative Strategy, IU Basketball) to Baylor. F***** Baylor.

 

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